[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by poejoe

dont forget jj has traveled from aussie to be here and is desperate to win. he is doing anything for attention and doesn't fancy josie but knows a romance with her will keep him in

It's the other way round - John James has stated from the early days he didn't wish to pursue a relationship in the house. Josie is using John James big time and thinks fat bird who pulls fit bloke will do her chances all sorts of good.


The truth about their feelings for each other can be summed up easily - who would move half way around the world to live with the other? I've absolutely no doubt John James would give up his life in Australia for Josie, and absolutely no doubt that Josie wouldn't ever consider leaving Bristol to be with him.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

It's the other way round - John James has stated from the early days he didn't wish to pursue a relationship in the house. Josie is using John James big time and thinks fat bird who pulls fit bloke will do her chances all sorts of good.


The truth about their feelings for each other can be summed up easily - who would move half way around the world to live with the other? I've absolutely no doubt John James would give up his life in Australia for Josie, and absolutely no doubt that Josie wouldn't ever consider leaving Bristol to be with him.

John James would leave the big brother house in order to save her (in his opinion) and be faced with the fact that, while she says she would leave, she would stay in the house after he left. The incredible thing is he would probably still love her. If Josie left she would expect JJ to come with Her and if he didn't she would ditch him.

It is a very one sided relationship. Friendship and love on one side, Lust and fear of loneliness on the other. [The former being JJ, the later Josie]

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by DavinamcCaw

She is playing him and he is falling for it.

they're both 'trying' to play each other! John james has got in to deep! Only fair thing is to evict him on friday lol

[jet]

Originally Posted by brekkie

she was at her worst tonight - all he did was try and be honest with her, but everytime he tries to talk to her she cuts him off completely and gets all moody, and basically laughs in his face.

She was a complete selfish cow whilst he was in the camera runs - couldn't care less about how john james felt and was only worried how it affected her, and then on his return despite john james clearly having a lot he needs to talk about she just shuts him down completely, bans him from talking about his feelings and even stops him talking to bb about those feelings.

And then john james has to spend the rest of the day apologising for trying to be honest as josie just laughs it off.


There is only one person leading the other on in this relationship - and it's not john james.

bravo!!!

[mike888]

Josie is playing John James like puppet on a string, I don't know why so many people say they like her, she really is so evil and manipulative. It's a shame Steve didn't stick to his promise and put her up instead of Andrew, Davina could have been waiting for her with a live rabbit and a boiling pan of water!!!...

[rosebay11]

Originally Posted by mike888

Josie is playing John James like puppet on a string, I don't know why so many people say they like her, she really is so evil and manipulative. It's a shame Steve didn't stick to his promise and put her up instead of Andrew, Davina could have been waiting for her with a live rabbit and a boiling pan of water!!!...

Well said, Mike!

I couldn't get over how cold and insensitive Josie was towards JohnJ when he was outside in the camera run. All she did was yell at him to stop making a show of her. She had no concern whatsoever for what he was feeling.

I saw a great similarity between that and her reaction to when Caoimhe was leaving. She did not even get up off her seat in the garden to join the other HM's in saying goodbye.

IMO, she is the most insensitive HM I've ever seen on BB.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by the-gaffer

He is frightened of hurting her, he has obviously been burned badly in the past and doesn't want to do it to her, she just doesn't want him to say the words "I'm not sexually attracted to you" for all of Britain to see and read

Well he's told the whole of Britain time and time again that he does NOT fancy her, that he is NOT attracted to her, and that he sees her as a sister. Perhaps where he comes from it's fine to sleep in the same bed as your adult sister, kiss and cuddle her and whisper sweet nothings in her ear? Josie is trying desperately to notch it all up to another level, and JJ1 is clearly repulsed by the idea. So why are people still buying all this sh*t? The whole crapmance went past its sell by date weeks ago.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by moghirl

I agree with all your observations .. JJ does at certain times seem frightened of Josie .. remember back in the bedroom, in the first week or so, I think it was, Josie put JJ in his place and had him in tears .. he's not as tuned in emotionally as she is and he's paying the price for that ..

I think he feels safe under the duvet but Josie invades his space anytime he tries to be alone and gather his thoughts in bed .. he's no match for Josie .. she's one tough cookie and is manipulating the life out of him.

Keeping him trapped under that duvet with her - is her way of isolating him from the rest which gives her more control over him!

Reminds me of the Marcus/Noirin situation last year - the way he tried to isolate her from the rest and make her dependent on him! She was a different kettle of fish though, far too strong - JJ though is a prime candidate as he appears to be an emotional mess!

[ibook4113]

JJ had said he wasn't physically attracted to her but loved her, and had affection for her like a sister. I think that when JJ first mentioned Josie in relation to sister he meant that his relationship with her seems natural and not strained. However i also think it is worth realising JJ doesn't have any siblings so his ideas of sibling love are not all there. His emotions for her have been increasing over time.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Keeping him trapped under that duvet with her - is her way of isolating him from the rest which gives her more control over him!

Reminds me of the Marcus/Noirin situation last year - the way he tried to isolate her from the rest and make her dependent on him! She was a different kettle of fish though, far too strong - JJ though is a prime candidate as he appears to be an emotional mess!

i have thought the same myself.

[Julie10]

Johns behaviour in the kitchen when Josie tried to get a cuddle when he was sat on the table told me so much. He was uncomfortable with her trying to invade his space. He did try to cuddle her back and look like he had feelings for her but in the end his head flopped and his hands didn't want to respond to her and she knew it.

The look on her face was priceless. She was hurt, embarrassed and confused. You can tell she is so desperate to have a relationship with him to make herself look and feel good. Nothing wrong with that but when the person keeps giving you mixed messages when is it going to hit home.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

JJ had said he wasn't physically attracted to her but loved her, and had affection for her like a sister. I think that when JJ first mentioned Josie in relation to sister he meant that his relationship with her seems natural and not strained. However i also think it is worth realising JJ doesn't have any siblings so his ideas of sibling love are not all there. His emotions for her have been increasing over time.



i have thought the same myself.

Not in the romantic sense though - it is more of a friendship, mother figure, needy type thing! The fact that he did a runner yesterday and said to the bb staff that he didn't want to hurt her - is because he knows he can't give her what she wants (although personally I am having doubts about her 'feelings' for him, I think it is just a game plan) - he still is not sexually interested in her - that is so obvious!

[ibook4113]

there doesn't need to be sexual attraction for love. And i think there has been a romantic increase because he hasn't mentioned the sister thing again, so he must feel stronger about her. I think the truth of the matter is they both aren't telling each other the truth.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

there doesn't need to be sexual attraction for love. And i think there has been a romantic increase because he hasn't mentioned the sister thing again, so he must feel stronger about her. I think the truth of the matter is they both aren't telling each other the truth.

Yes there does - for people of their age! And if her bunny-boiler act is actually genuine - then she definitely wants that from him! A 'love' where one wants sex and the other doesn't is doomed to failure!

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Yes there does - for people of their age! And if her bunny-boiler act is actually genuine - then she definitely wants that from him! A 'love' where one wants sex and the other doesn't is doomed to failure!

He has said before that he doesn't like sex, so he may be an exception. Sure, where there are different feelings between the two it is not likely to work, but then they are both as bad as each other. Josie is in Lust, John is in Love. Josie doesn't really care for the feelings of John James she just wants a plaything. It is a shame she has tricked him.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

He has said before that he doesn't like sex, so he may be an exception. Sure, where there are different feelings between the two it is not likely to work, but then they are both as bad as each other. Josie is in Lust, John is in Love. Josie doesn't really care for the feelings of John James she just wants a plaything. It is a shame she has tricked him.

This is the most disingenuous post on the forum and illustrates perfectly how JJ supporters can excuse the vilest and most manipulative of behaviours. You say John has no siblings and therefore doesn't know how to react to a sister -but even the dimmest idiot knows you don't fondle and caress your sister in the way that he does when he "doesn't want to lead her on" (his words). In the next breath, you say he's in love with her! Seems you're trying to cover all bases. Dozy Josie is also a manipulative scheming cow, but that doesn't excuse the vileness of JJ's behaviour.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by angus58

This is the most disingenuous post on the forum and illustrates perfectly how JJ supporters can excuse the vilest and most manipulative of behaviours. You say John has no siblings and therefore doesn't know how to react to a sister -but even the dimmest idiot knows you don't fondle and caress your sister in the way that he does when he "doesn't want to lead her on" (his words). In the next breath, you say he's in love with her! Seems you're trying to cover all bases. Dozy Josie is also a manipulative scheming cow, but that doesn't excuse the vileness of JJ's behaviour.

I believe the point i was making was that he used to refer to her as a sister because it was a natural relationship that they had. I am NOT implying that them fondling is brotherly or sisterly, i am saying that he fancies her more than he realised. Obviously he never should have said sister because people will forever use it against him now.

And a quick point. It seems the john James haters have forgot that time moves forward, people more forward, and JJ feels stronger for Josie than he felt at the beginning. Therefore you would expect to see an increase in the description of emotion for her.

[crocs]

Originally Posted by Julie10

Johns behaviour in the kitchen when Josie tried to get a cuddle when he was sat on the table told me so much. He was uncomfortable with her trying to invade his space. He did try to cuddle her back and look like he had feelings for her but in the end his head flopped and his hands didn't want to respond to her and she knew it.

The look on her face was priceless. She was hurt, embarrassed and confused. You can tell she is so desperate to have a relationship with him to make herself look and feel good. Nothing wrong with that but when the person keeps giving you mixed messages when is it going to hit home.

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same situation but if we are, John was caressing her buttock/thigh area. If he felt uncomfortable, he wouldn't have done that. He says one thing but acts according to another. I don't know what that is all about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Linto99

Just watched the whole thing on HL show between JJ and Josie. Quite disturbing to watch. JJ actually seems quite fearful of Josie. He is pussyfooting about her because he just does not want to lose her friendship, and seems to like to have her to cling on too. He's quite emotionally un-balanced. She is aware of this and is dangling him like a puppet. He's obviously not as tuned in psycholigically, like Josie is!

Her true colours are showing and she is one manipulative woman, playing housemates against each other! Dangerous woman! John James should have kept on running out the fire exit!

that is an excellent and imho accurate survey of the whole situation

10/10

[WOMBAI]

JJ repeatedly says he doesn't want to hurt her - that says it all doesn't it - he doesn't feel the same way as her - and therefore doesn't want to hurt her!

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

JJ repeatedly says he doesn't want to hurt her - that says it all doesn't it - he doesn't feel the same way as her - and therefore doesn't want to hurt her!

he said that because she ran out of the bedroom in a strop. He is worried that he won't have her friendship.
Just because he says he doesn't want to hurt her doesn't mean he has no feelings for her.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

JJ repeatedly says he doesn't want to hurt her - that says it all doesn't it - he doesn't feel the same way as her - and therefore doesn't want to hurt her!

Yep. His "I don't want to hurt her" line is saying loud and clear that he doesn't want to take things further. Josie of course will keep on pushing for something more - I predict that she will make a move the next time they've had a drink.

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by mike888

Josie is playing John James like puppet on a string, I don't know why so many people say they like her, she really is so evil and manipulative. It's a shame Steve didn't stick to his promise and put her up instead of Andrew, Davina could have been waiting for her with a live rabbit and a boiling pan of water!!!...

LOL (and I really did!)

Originally Posted by angus58

Well he's told the whole of Britain time and time again that he does NOT fancy her, that he is NOT attracted to her, and that he sees her as a sister. Perhaps where he comes from it's fine to sleep in the same bed as your adult sister, kiss and cuddle her and whisper sweet nothings in her ear?

Josie wants a plaything though - he basically can't win either way. Their behaviour too is generally more flirty than intimate and everytime John James tries to put the breaks on it, this happens.

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by rosebay11

Well said, Mike!

I couldn't get over how cold and insensitive Josie was towards JohnJ when he was outside in the camera run. All she did was yell at him to stop making a show of her. She had no concern whatsoever for what he was feeling.

I saw a great similarity between that and her reaction to when Caoimhe was leaving. She did not even get up off her seat in the garden to join the other HM's in saying goodbye.

IMO, she is the most insensitive HM I've ever seen on BB.

Absolutely. As the others tried to stop him leaving she walked in the opposite direction!

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

(although personally I am having doubts about her 'feelings' for him, I think it is just a game plan)

Me too!

[maudster191]

yeah but then in live feed its like a completely different story...you're watching a heavily edited version.