[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think the most logical explanation of the free will stuff is that there is no sin, no god and there are just humans who have over millions of years evolved into what we currently are.

Why we are expected to live our lives governed by the laws of physics and reality only to throw all this out of the window when we look at religions is beyond me.

The god we cannot see, cannot hear, cannot understand and yet we must obey seems a touch convenient?

So does this mean you have turned your back on your Christian beliefs and joined us on the Dark Side LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So does this mean you have turned your back on your Christian beliefs and joined us on the Dark Side LT?

do you mean Digital Spy?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Omen

I thought Protestant heathens didn't believe in all that freewill business, believing instead in predestintion ~ your fate is decided, whether you're going to heaven or hell, from the day you are born, (if not even before).

No.
Some of the reformers and thinkers and for example Presbyterians have some discussions about this.
Contrary to popular opinion, Predestination is not exactly a 'doctrine' in the Presbys.
One way to actually see this is to Wiki 'predestination' and the reason you can see just ENDLESS statements about 'what Presbyterians believe' is because... ... its an idea. Not a doctrine.

But here is the thing with that idea. In a real way it doesn't matter for us.
Put it this way:
We can suppose that God can look down the corridors of time and see into the future.
This doesn't change free will. It wont affect us,
but,
its also something that is 'senseless to us' in a sort of sense you could explain 3-D to a 2-D person in a 2-D world.

But anyways.. no, its not a 'Protestant' thing and even in the denoms that do accept is - its more an 'idea' and not really a 'church doctrine' if you see what i mean.

[iRyan]

I don't believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing. It's a folktale. When Adam and Eve had kids, their kids would have to get it on to reproduce and that's incest.

I believe in evolution, but I still believe in God as well. I just don't think we popped up out of nowhere.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by iRyan

I don't believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing. It's a folktale. When Adam and Eve had kids, their kids would have to get it on to reproduce and that's incest.

I believe in evolution, but I still believe in God as well. I just don't think we popped up out of nowhere.

But wouldn't that happen if God created us anyway?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shardlake

I heard a Christian on the radio the other day (may have been the TV cant remember, may have even been the internet) anyway...

He was asked if there is a god why does he let all bad things happen to his people on earth.

He said that god let man take charge of their own destiny so that they could be shown how foolish they can be (or words to that effect).

Think it's all rubbish myself

So he created us for his own amusement and take the p*ss out of us

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So does this mean you have turned your back on your Christian beliefs and joined us on the Dark Side LT?

lmao, I was wondering the same thing