[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well look how Dave stitched Ben up ,his 'best friend in the house' even going on about him weeks after he had gone,with friends like Dave,WHO needs enemies.

dave would stab anyone in the back. the man is a evil little knob.
he is also in need of help, he seems to be having a mid life crisis in the house.
trying to dress young and be one of the boys. how pathetic is dave the biggest dick in bb history.

[Malza]

That scene was the worst and ugliest moment of BB11

Over the last 3 days it was more and more obvious the Dave, Josie and the guy without personality had become a group of their own, all day only busy in telling each other how much they deserve to be where there are.

Andrew got lucky, because Josie liked him, but Mario was nothing more then a disruptive factor on their way to fame.
Good enough to give a massage whenever requested, not important enough to talk to him, or about him, with the slightest bit of respect.

The closer the final, the meaner and bitchier their comments.

That behaviour started already weeks ago, but ended today in a disgraceful and awkward bullying situation, where those 3 people started to loudly bitch, attack, blame and accuse Mario that he dared to nominate him (Something that is part of the game, and something they did with him as well)

This went several minutes until Mario went out of the room because he couldn't bare it any more.

Even IF (and he was for sure not) Dave was just bantering, the moment when you obviously see that you have deeply hurt someone, you should stop and ask yourself what you have done.

Not so Josie, Dave and the guy without personality, they still called him snake and double faced, loud enough Mario was still able to hear it.

Not even Andrew dared to look after Mario

Then they where allowed to leave the bedroom again. All 4 left the room, nobody gave a *******ck - The stupid monk even called Mario several times while making a funny voice, laughing over his own victory.

Minutes later when Mario appeared in the garden again, Dave went to him, trying to hug him (Mario shoved him away, it was obvious he wanted to be left alone), telling him with the fakest smile that he was just joking, repeating several times his meaningless "Dude...I love you moley"
He pestered him till Mario gave in and let Dave hug him.
Immediately Dave turned and walked away. Not one single word that he was sorry.

Later Mario sat in the garden, talking to Andrew, telling him that he was ok (which he was obviously not) and doesn't care any more. That he is ready to leave, because he is so sick of the people in the house who seem to always need to blame and reduce other people to things that have happened.

I am sure Dave, Josie and JJ where fully aware about the fact that it was the last day, and nobody would be able any more to judge them for their behaviour, which makes it even more disgusting.

It was nice to see, that Mario was able to leave that behind him and still enjoyed his final night, leaving the house with a smile, just glad to leave those people behind.

A shame that people like Dave where pampered by BB in a way of never showing that ugly side of him to the people without LF, and sad that tonight, he was even rewarded for being the person he was.

- rant over-

[Chels]

S'why I like him, he takes the pish ouuta everyone

[King Gizzard]

Its what you call

Banter

[Malza]

Well if you find that so amusing, I hope your life will be full of Dave's, you will like it I guess

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Nate

Its what you call

Banter

Originally Posted by Chels

S'why I like him, he takes the pish ouuta everyone

^ This.

Have you really latched on to the fact that Dave just likes to take the mick out of everyone yet? He's been one of Mario's closest freinds in the house since day one, there was no mailicious intent behind it

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Malza

Well if you find that so amusing, I hope your life will be full of Dave's, you will like it I guess

Me and my friends always take the piss out of each other

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by astrozombiee

Yeah Dave wasn't bantering and IF he was - then it's not funny and if his idea of banter is bullying and upsetting people I dont think he should be...

Your (was) a Sam supporter... How can you even make this post with a straight face?

Or are you one of those guys that judges 'bullying' and 'upsetting' only according to who it is being 'bullied' and 'upset' and not the act itself?

[Malza]

Originally Posted by MTVN

^ This.

Have you really latched on to the fact that Dave just likes to take the mick out of everyone yet? He's been one of Mario's closest freinds in the house since day one, there was no mailicious intent behind it

Dave was never Marios friend, Dave was never anyone's real friend in the house. The only person Dave liked was himself, like he was all day just talking about himself.
How pathetic

[Malza]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Me and my friends always take the piss out of each other

I guess you are about 14...16...17?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Malza

I guess you are about 14...16...17?

17, but thats not really the point. By that you're implying that when you're a teenager and immature and everything it's acceptable, but as soon as you go past 20 you're suddenly so sensitive that you arent able to handle some friendly banter and it suddenly becomes insulting?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Malza

Dave was never Marios friend, Dave was never anyone's real friend in the house. The only person Dave liked was himself, like he was all day just talking about himself.
How pathetic

Steve, Ben, Mario, Sunshine etc. - they were all friends with Dave

[Malza]

Originally Posted by MTVN

17, but thats not really the point. By that you're implying that when you're a teenager and immature and everything it's acceptable, but as soon as you go past 20 you're suddenly so sensitive that you arent able to handle some friendly banter and it suddenly becomes insulting?

What a surprise that I was right... anyway, just for the record, I am far far behind my 20s

The difference about a friendly bunter is, that the other person is not meant to get willingly upset. What Dave and the others did was far behind a friendly banter.

[Malza]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Steve, Ben, Mario, Sunshine etc. - they were all friends with Dave

He stabbed them (literally) all in the back, as soon as their where out of sight.

[Chels]

It's cos he's middle aged people say he's 'bullying' Mario, if he was a young un like Pepper then people would see it as banter... stupid really, you're never too old for a bit of a laugh

[headaball]

Originally Posted by Malza

He stabbed them (literally) all in the back, as soon as their where out of sight.

[Malza]

Originally Posted by Chels

It's cos he's middle aged people say he's 'bullying' Mario, if he was a young un like Pepper then people would see it as banter... stupid really, you're never too old for a bit of a laugh

It was not the fact that he was middle aged, this whole thing was about the situation this afternoon, where 3 people where involved, not only Dave (the guy without personality is younger then Mario, even Josie is younger) but in that situation all 3 of them behaved like ass****les

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Malza

What a surprise that I was right... anyway, just for the record, I am far far behind my 20s

The difference about a friendly bunter is, that the other person is not meant to get willingly upset. What Dave and the others did was far behind a friendly banter.

Ok, and the relevance of my age is? I wasnt trying to guess your age, it was just the tone of your post kind of implied that having a bit of friendly banter was typical of teenagers, and only teenagers, and the notion that I could be over 17 and still engage in it was impossible.

Like Chels said, there didnt seem to be a problem when Sam was telling Josie it should be illegal for her to be a bikini. You're just ranting about Dave doing it because you find it too hard to believe that a middle-aged man could jokingly taken the mick without it being malicious

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Malza

It was not the fact that he was middle aged, this whole thing was about the situation this afternoon, where 3 people where involved, not only Dave (the guy without personality is younger then Mario, even Josie is younger) but in that situation all 3 of them behaved like ass****les

But from what you said Dave followed him out and told him that he loved him while attempting to hug. It seems that he realised Mario was getting a bit upset and wanted him to know he was just messing around, so why is he being targeted here?

[Malza]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok, and the relevance of my age is? I wasnt trying to guess your age, it was just the tone of your post kind of implied that having a bit of friendly banter was typical of teenagers, and only teenagers, and the notion that I could be over 17 and still engage in it was impossible.

Like Chels said, there didnt seem to be a problem when Sam was telling Josie it should be illegal for her to be a bikini. You're just ranting about Dave doing it because you find it too hard to believe that a middle-aged man could jokingly taken the mick without it being malicious

Ok, I apologize about the comment about the age, you are right, this should not be the subject of this discussion.
(Also english is not my mother language, so sometimes not everything may come across like it was meant when I wrote it)

I am pretty sure, that there was also a discussion about Sam being very (let's say) unkind to Josie, but I can't say how it was discussed, because I was not involved.

To get back to the point.
For me it has nothing to do with the age of dave, the situation would have had the same meaning if 3 40 year old would do that 50 year old guy.

It is just not a friendly banter any more if you do such thing over and over again, always to the same person, knowing that person gets upset.

And the problem with Daves "I love you moley" excuse is, that he never really meant them to be an excuse. If so, he would have at last once said. I have gone to far, I am sorry that I have upset you, I will not do it again... But he just said "I love you" turned around just to bitch again about him to someone else.
THAT is no friendship.

[Malza]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But from what you said Dave followed him out and told him that he loved him while attempting to hug. It seems that he realised Mario was getting a bit upset and wanted him to know he was just messing around, so why is he being targeted here?

I think I have answered that already before. First he was calling him, but not in a way of being worried, he did the opposite and made a funny voice while doing it.
His excuses where never real, where never meant to make the other person feel better again, it was just an act of appease his conscience.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Malza

Ok, I apologize about the comment about the age, you are right, this should not be the subject of this discussion.
(Also english is not my mother language, so sometimes not everything may come across like it was meant when I wrote it)

I am pretty sure, that there was also a discussion about Sam being very (let's say) unkind to Josie, but I can't say how it was discussed, because I was not involved.

To get back to the point.
For me it has nothing to do with the age of dave, the situation would have had the same meaning if 3 40 year old would do that 50 year old guy.

It is just not a friendly banter any more if you do such thing over and over again, always to the same person, knowing that person gets upset.

And the problem with Daves "I love you moley" excuse is, that he never really meant them to be an excuse. If so, he would have at last once said. I have gone to far, I am sorry that I have upset you, I will not do it again... But he just said "I love you" turned around just to bitch again about him to someone else.
THAT is no friendship.

No worries, apology accepted, I guess I misunderstood the tone of your post

Anyway, back to the incident at hand, I genuinely dont think Dave intended to hurt Mario. Dave seems clearly to have quite a dry sense of humour and, in my opinion, this is often misunderstood as him being a snake, backstabbing etc. Take his friendship with Ben, a lot of people here criticised Dave saying that he's been insulting Ben and calling him every name under the sun and then pretended to be is best mate when he came back. Yet Dave mentioned a couple of times that "Benny" was his best mate in the house and that he would have left if Ben had been evicted week 2. Any insulting of him has seemed to me to be more affectionate than malicious.

The same could be said here. At the beggining when there was clearly different groups in the house, Dave was always with Mario, Sunshine and Ben. And I've yet to see Dave really criticise Mario, aside from when he was put on the Save & Replace task. Him going out in the garden and telling him he loves him was kind of his way of saying "I was only messing about, no need to be offended"

Anyway, I'm off to bed now, I'm completely shattered

[Malza]

Of course, Dave has a dry sometimes sarcastic humour, and for a while I really liked him myself, but since the face-swap-incident he became manic about that topic.
And he missed the fine line when it would have been time to stop it because it was going out of hand.
You make joke around with others, but picking on others (in front of others) over and over again on the same subject causes harm to the other person...
Mario took it very long quite ok, he tried to excuse himself several times for what happened (even if there was no need, as it was part of the game and his right to nominate who ever he wants), he tried to ignore it, he tried to laugh as well when the others where laughing about him because Dave was going on, but today was the point, where he couldn't stand it any more.
A "friend" would have noticed that he went to far, a friend would have not continued further that point.

And same here, I need some sleep now

[headaball]

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrot...erview/play.c4

Just after 2 mins. Dave mentions Mario as someone he's definitely going to stay in touch with along with Ben and Corin.

Still people don't get Dave's humour. Even though he goes a little too far at times it was obvious he liked Ben & Mario just as much, if not more than the others.

[Malza]

I would not ever trust in anything that guy says, not after he gave us the chance to know him better. I prefer to have 3 enemies instead of Dave as a friend