[ange7]

Originally Posted by karezza

Some 77% of Britons think taxpayers should not help pay for Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Scotland and England, a survey suggests.

An online poll of 2,005 adults issued by think tank Theos also found 79% had "no personal interest" in his visit.

online polls are not worth sh*t. It's biased due to the fact that only those that have extreme views can be assed to fill in the poll. Only random polls of people that reflect the diversity of a community gets real results. An online survey at www.pissoffpope.co.uk .... does not. :P Shame on you karezza for using bs stats. Catholics are tax payers too and so they indirectly fund government cash that goes to other religions ... therefor they've a right to it.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by setanta

Isn't alot of controversy? What? Do I have to mention some of the Pope's declarations that fly in the face of many people's beliefs, and not just that of Catholic people who are actually turning away from the church in their droves?

Right, they are their own belief system, club, organization. So the Pope makes declarations for his people.

This would be like you being outraged that Chelsea makes decisions that you strongly disagree with because you are an Arsenal supporter.

This would be like you being outraged at the Tories because they make declarations about their mandates and you being some Labour supporter don't like them.

This is like you being outraged that the Dalai Lama says things that you don't agree with because you are not a Buddhist.

And the contributions are for the church, not for the British economy.

I don't know what you are complaining about but just know these kinds of events are good for the economy.
Keep in mind this will draw massive tourism from everywhere else too. Tourism is awesome because it is nearly the closest thing to just getting 'free money' for your economy as we can ask for.

I can't believe you're saying it wont be a controversial visit and could lead to massive protests.

Uh?
Well I'm not sure what you think life should be like then? Protesters dictate who can be here.
Who gets to speak in public.
What a world you must hope for?
People are allowed to protest and good for them. They spend a lot of money on placards and help the local marijuana economy,
and,
afterward will buy a lot of bottled water and sell a lot of newspapers.
Win-win.

[keithafc]

He should not be in the country. No Surrender.

[headaball]

Check out the headgear. As well as being a fashionista - Benny is cooler than a refrigerator.

[Shasown]

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Right, they are their own belief system, club, organization. So the Pope makes declarations for his people.

This would be like you being outraged that Chelsea makes decisions that you strongly disagree with because you are an Arsenal supporter.

This would be like you being outraged at the Tories because they make declarations about their mandates and you being some Labour supporter don't like them.

This is like you being outraged that the Dalai Lama says things that you don't agree with because you are not a Buddhist.



I don't know what you are complaining about but just know these kinds of events are good for the economy.
Keep in mind this will draw massive tourism from everywhere else too. Tourism is awesome because it is nearly the closest thing to just getting 'free money' for your economy as we can ask for.



Uh?
Well I'm not sure what you think life should be like then? Protesters dictate who can be here.
Who gets to speak in public.
What a world you must hope for?
People are allowed to protest and good for them. They spend a lot of money on placards and help the local marijuana economy,
and,
afterward will buy a lot of bottled water and sell a lot of newspapers.
Win-win.

That's the whole problem though - he and his establishment are not representing the needs of their people in any way. That's why attendances are dropping and people are growing tired of the corruption and inflexibility within the hierarchy of the church.

That he has decided to foolishly make a visit to GB right now, after so many of his declarations fly in the face of a democratic and liberal minded state such as yourselves speaks volumes for his and the Vaticans disconnection with reality.

And they're pocketing the contribution money, not the government.

These protests could turn nasty too by the way.

[ILoveTRW]

I despise Labour.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by setanta

That's the whole problem though - he and his establishment are not representing the needs of their people in any way. That's why attendances are dropping and people are growing tired of the corruption and inflexibility within the hierarchy of the church.

Uh no, they have a massive amount of members who continually attend and carry on as Roman Catholics.
At any given time there are membership numbers that rise and fall and so some drop doesn't represent 'their people',
but,
No, I don't know anything about the Roman Catholics growing tired of your alleged corruption in the hierarchy.
I think you have been watching too many Dan Brown movies with Davinci Codes and 'Evil Priests'.

That he has decided to foolishly make a visit to GB right now, after so many of his declarations fly in the face of a democratic and liberal minded state such as yourselves speaks volumes for his and the Vaticans disconnection with reality.

I don't now any declarations flying in the face of democracy (the Pope was voted into his office) or what you think 'liberal minded state' means,
but,
I think some of your declarations fly in the face of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and all kinds of things a liberal society ought to be known for and all but defined by,
yet,
You don't see me wanting to take away your right to post these ideas on a public forum?

And they're pocketing the contribution money, not the government.

I don't know what you think that means.

These protests could turn nasty too by the way.

Then the wrongdoers need to be arrested for their nasty behavior and you ought to be disgusted with them for trying to censor, intimidate and harass those liberal values you like (selectively).

[Lee.]

I'm sometimes so unaware of what's going on and when.. Is he coming to Edinburgh today??

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Bigoted, corrupt douchebag in charge of a dated, stupid cult, with a penchant for condemning everyone to AIDS and rehabilitating paedophiles and Holocaust deniers.

Absolute disgrace of a man and of a religion.

More of a man because as a Christian myself, I think he's horrible. He comes out as a monster and makes Christianity looks so bad. I don't recognize myself in what he is saying.

[setanta]

Wow El Proximo, have you not heard some of the things he and his cohorts have been saying of late? I predict a riot.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by setanta

Wow El Proximo, have you not heard some of the things he and his cohorts have been saying of late? I predict a riot.

I saw one thing where he was making 'declarations' about how important it was for people around the world from all faiths come together in mutual respect.. something else about loving your neighbours... some other thing about charity... something else about how there was more need to be vigilant protecting the innocent.

CRAZY!!!!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I saw one thing where he was making 'declarations' about how important it was for people around the world from all faiths come together in mutual respect.. something else about loving your neighbours... some other thing about charity... something else about how there was more need to be vigilant protecting the innocent.

CRAZY!!!!

I'll give you some more doozies, shall I?

Well, I'll give you one for starters http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7096149.ece

Pope's right hand man blames homosexuals for clerical abuse.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by setanta

That's the whole problem though - he and his establishment are not representing the needs of their people in any way. That's why attendances are dropping and people are growing tired of the corruption and inflexibility within the hierarchy of the church.

That he has decided to foolishly make a visit to GB right now, after so many of his declarations fly in the face of a democratic and liberal minded state such as yourselves speaks volumes for his and the Vaticans disconnection with reality.

And they're pocketing the contribution money, not the government.

These protests could turn nasty too by the way.

The taxpayer props up his visit and his chief aide Cardinal Kaspar insults the UK calling it a "third world country". I am deeply sorry he feels that way... maybe him and his excellency could have remedied that by never visiting this country.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

The taxpayer props up his visit and his chief aide Cardinal Kaspar insults the UK calling it a "third world country". I am deeply sorry he feels that way... maybe him and his excellency could have remedied that by never visiting this country.

Yeah, the third world comment was hysterical. Seriously, what planet or age are these fellas living in?

[In the Drunk Tank]

People are getting too worked up here, using taxpayers money to fund visits from those of importance is hardly a new concept. And before people moan about the cost, at least acknowledge the huge amount of money that the visit will generate for the economy, just in Glasgow alone it will give an Ł8.5 million boost

Originally Posted by keithafc

He should not be in the country. No Surrender.

Stupid bigot.

[Lucy.]

Can someone sum up why everyone hates the Pope for me? I literally have no idea who, why or what he is hated for, I clearly live in a cave.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

Can someone sum up why everyone hates the Pope for me? I literally have no idea who, why or what he is hated for, I clearly live in a cave.

Well it's been a pretty controversial year for the Catholic Church, there were all the child abuse scandals, his employment of a Holocaust denier, his condemnation of condoms and there's the fact that he is against homosexuality and (like all Catholics) is opposed to abortion.

I dont think there would be the same amount of uproar of it was the previous Pope - John Paul II - visiting, he was a lot more popular

[Smithy]

He doesn't like Harry Potter either

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well it's been a pretty controversial year for the Catholic Church, there were all the child abuse scandals, his employment of a Holocaust denier, his condemnation of condoms and there's the fact that he is against homosexuality and (like all Catholics) is opposed to abortion.

I dont think there would be the same amount of uproar of it was the previous Pope - John Paul II - visiting, he was a lot more popular

But if that's Catholicism then why do they hate that particular Pope so much?

[bananarama]

Hours of pointless drivel being talked about the visit on sky news and elsware. News channels lost the plot as to what is real news is.......As for the cost it should be paid for by the catholic church. UK taxpayers other than catholics are literaly being robbed......

20 million pound or whatever could have been provided to hospitals to finance drugs that patients have been refused....Another example of religion indirectly killing people due to them wasting financial recources on rituals and clap trap from senile old nitwits......

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Hours of pointless drivel being talked about the visit on sky news and elsware. News channels lost the plot as to what is real news is.......As for the cost it should be paid for by the catholic church. UK taxpayers other than catholics are literaly being robbed......

20 million pound or whatever could have been provided to hospitals to finance drugs that patients have been refused....Another example of religion indirectly killing people due to them wasting financial recources on rituals and clap trap from senile old nitwits......

Yeah its a hard life living in a democracy aint it?

Incidentally any moneys generated in a wide range of businesses benefitting from old benny's visit, shouldnt that just go to the caffolics?

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

But if that's Catholicism then why do they hate that particular Pope so much?

Because they dont feel he has done enough to denounce the child abuse in terms of apologising, compensation etc. And his remarks on condoms appeared ill-judged to many as he was saying that they wouldnt help combat AIDS while on a visit to Afirca. He's also very conservative with his beliefs although then again so was John Paul II.

It's basically mainly down to the revelations of child abuse and the subsequent resentment felt towards the Catholic Church. Many lost faith and respect for the Church and also him as a result.

[BB_Eye]

Looks like Papa Benedict is throwing back accusations often used on him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

His remarks betray a certain ignorance. The Nazis were not atheist, far from it, and we all know who was turning a blind eye to them in Rome, don't we?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by setanta

I'll give you some more doozies, shall I?

Well, I'll give you one for starters http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7096149.ece

Pope's right hand man blames homosexuals for clerical abuse.

What are you confused about?
They discovered a problem - homosexual priests who were molesting the teen boys.
They have no more of this happening than found in public schools, secular sports organization and other orgs where adults have special trust with children,
but,
At least they are aiming to do something about it. In this case they won't hire Priests who are known to be homosexuals.

Now, a lot of people say the RC's were too slow to catch on to the problem even after they realized they have just as many sex perverts as the public schools and I tend to agree,
but,
to give them credit where it's due - they are now doing a superb job of not only trying to deal with the past problem but put in some of the strictest measures and prevention schemes to keep it from happening again.