[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

is this with physical release too? :/ oh dear.

I think physical is next week. Can't be arsed to check.

[Jordan.]

[Holly Christmas]

I got Leon's album and it was amazing, he has a fantastic voice, in the style of his idol Michael Buble.

Not his fault that type of music ain't everyone's cup of tea.

I still think he was great!

[Vladimir]

omg, poor thing. hope it'll get higher next week.

[M X]

That's a shame.

[Jamietwo]

I don't think the state of the music charts is simons or x factors fault, it's just a talent competition and very entertaining at times. but i don't think it should be expected that winners are automatically made into pop stars. capitalism has affected everything from video games to music, we are in a period of history that is all about cynical money making. Good luck to Leon and Joe, they are good singers and i'm glad they won, but i hope we all live long enough to see a period of originality and meaning again, that is absent from our culture today.

[BB_Eye]

I would have been happier if it didn't even chart.

[Zippy]

Joe will do well in the entertainment business regardless. He's perfect for the West end. Its not all about the charts. Especially these days when selling music doesnt even make much money with all the downloading.

Most performers are just happy to make a decent living from doing what they love. He has the voice and the personality to get work constantly. And Im sure he has already made some decent money.

Plus the world of musical theatre will be gay heaven for him. Bless.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Joe will do well in the entertainment business regardless. He's perfect for the West end. Its not all about the charts. Especially these days when selling music doesnt even make much money with all the downloading.

Most performers are just happy to make a decent living from doing what they love. He has the voice and the personality to get work constantly. And Im sure he has already made some decent money.

Plus the world of musical theatre will be gay heaven for him. Bless.

Have you ever considered working in PR?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Joe will do well in the entertainment business regardless. He's perfect for the West end. Its not all about the charts. Especially these days when selling music doesnt even make much money with all the downloading.

Most performers are just happy to make a decent living from doing what they love. He has the voice and the personality to get work constantly. And Im sure he has already made some decent money.

Plus the world of musical theatre will be gay heaven for him. Bless.

He'll be fine in the West End, aka the graveyard for burnt out recording artists. If thats the case then he's stolen the record contract from someone who could have done much more with it

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Tom

He'll be fine in the West End, aka the graveyard for burnt out recording artists. If thats the case then he's stolen the record contract from someone who could have done much more with it

Stolen? Er, he WON that record contract. Fair and square. And deservedly too.

And actually its very normal now for big talent show winners to end up in musical theatre. Most AI winners seem to have ended up there at some point.

If you wanna see it as a fail then I suggest you compare and contrast it to what they had BEFORE they entered the contest. Nothing but dreams.

Like I said, its not all about the charts for most performers. Joe is more famous than most of the current top40 anyways and always will be.

[Iceman]

Delighted

[joeysteele]

Wow, Joe is a flop entering the chart at number 6 this week, Pixie Lott has come in at 12 she must be a disaster then.
What is this obseesion that unless a record gets to number one in its first week that its a flop, he has entered at 6 in a top 75 chart for goodness sake, I bet loads of singers wish they could do that.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wow, Joe is a flop entering the chart at number 6 this week, Pixie Lott has come in at 12 she must be a disaster then.
What is this obseesion that unless a record gets to number one in its first week that its a flop, he has entered at 6 in a top 75 chart for goodness sake, I bet loads of singers wish they could do that.

It's not about being most singers he had a huge platform to launch his career and he blew it...........

[joeysteele]

Everybody cannot get to number one all the time.

[ElProximo]

This brings up the question:
- Are these x-factor and BGT type competitions really GOOD for the industry and for the artists overall or do they ultimately sell them out, kill the artists greater possibilities and in some ways (ultimately) deliver less quality to the public?

I think some of the arguments in favour of the competitions are good but then again I do wonder what could be better if they did not exists at all.

but yeah, most of these winners will not see much more that a semi-successful song or two but maybe a decent part in a popular play and a healthy run through some nightclub/venue circuits for a season or two.

which is not so bad!

[Z]

Let's be honest, X Factor voting doesn't make the distinction between who's the most popular on the show and who would be a successful pop star. Eoghan Quigg made it to the final over Diana Vickers, yet his attempt at a career failed miserably and he's nowhere to be seen; Diana's still going. Series 5 panned out in the right way; with the better acts finishing in the top half, therefore launching successful careers. Series 6 saw a lot of great acts being voted out (tactically, might I add) by the judges to the detriment of the show. Jedward are the success story of last year. That says a lot.

[Stephanie]

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

well pixie lott bombed then considering shes meant to be a much bigger artist than joe.

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

well pixie lott bombed then considering shes meant to be a much bigger artist than joe.

pixie hasn't performed on the x factor yet though.. and quite a few of her songs havn't charted high.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

pixie hasn't performed on the x factor yet though.. and quite a few of her songs havn't charted high.

thats know excuse for doing bad.

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

Even Whitney, smacked off her head, managed a better release after performing on X factor

[The Human Santapede]

Looks like he drops out of the top 10 altogether for next week and urgh, Duck Sauce with Barbara Streisand are reckoned to be next weeks number 1

Urgh to both songs

[cub]

Pixie Lott is a very different artist to Joe.

Remember Joe was on a programme last week that gets 11-12 million viewers. This was his first single after a year away. He's on a very 'unforgiving' record label that drops as many artists as it signs.

Pixie is more in control of her music - she's a history of successful songs already (her first two were no. 1s), she writes her own stuff and has a fanbase. He current single is just off a reactivated album (which should storm back into the chart).

I like Joe and I'm not celebrating his failure but that's how it will be seen. If his album doesn't get to no. 1 and stick around the chart for more than a couple of weeks .... well, ask Leon Jackson.

[joeysteele]

I think he'd have done better this time wit a ballad again, Joe had a lot of people singing his praises and also who bought THE CLIMB who were not regular cd buyers but bought what they liked.
This new single almost a year after the first(which I think is another problem too,releases should be quicker than that)is vastly different to THE CLIMB, also Simon Cowell has had X factor running up to Christmas for the reason sales are higher then.

This saddling an artiste with a number one record at first that MUST be followed by another number one or its a flop even if its in the top 10 puts an artificial take on how well an act may do long term.

If I was a singer and my records made the top 10, even never getting a number one ever, then I would be over the moon, many long running acts have never had a number one record and also had varying placings in the charts.

One notable one, is a great group that started in the 60s and had decades of hits, namely the WHO, yet as I was looking back over their chart history, placings were all over the place,and they never ever got to number one with any single.