[arista]

Youtube video

[Judas]

Disagree with more violent London action...from here on in it's only going to get more violent as those that generally do just want a fight join in.

[Lee.]

That lass speaking about the doughnut doesn't appear to have the brains to qualify for college or university!!

[Tom4784]

I'm sympathetic to their aim but the serious protesters need to denounce the mob really as it's bringing them down and allowing the media to play the rampant teen card.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm sympathetic to their aim but the serious protesters need to denounce the mob really as it's bringing them down and allowing the media to play the rampant teen card.

Yes Rampant and Wrong

[Lee.]

I can see why and agree with the students protesting (in a peaceful manner). But lets face it, the people who start the riots, aren't students, have no brains,have no jobs and are really just out for a day of fighting!

[arista]

Originally Posted by happyland

I can see why and agree with the students protesting (in a peaceful manner). But lets face it, the people who start the riots, aren't students, have no brains,have no jobs and are really just out for a day of fighting!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._And_Cambridge



Watch the Exclusive Student Fight Vidio
One is Clever many other are Thug Students.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

well done SkyNews who got that Student fight.


Strange the Bloated BBC news, which I pay for , is staying back
and having studio rubbish talk.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

Who do they think they are, the IRA?

Originally Posted by Livia

You criticise the Tories and the LibDems in your post, but nowhere do I see you mention Labour, who introduced fees in the first place.

Not to mention the fact that they were the ones who launched the Browne Review into higher education funding in the first place

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...s-tuition-fees

A 5mins humdrum VT of students talking. from the Guardian

Not as good as this Girl Student fighting a thug girl student video on SkyNews
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._And_Cambridge

[Judas]

I love the 'I should of stayed in bed instead of voting for Nick Clegg' sign - mocks the stereotype yet so, so true.

[Judas]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._And_Cambridge

What a bunch of TITS in that video arista posted - this is what makes me angry. I could understand why the action may of been required the first time, to get a real 'splash' in the news but the people doing it are just doing it because they are thick *****s quite honestly. I'm not sure if you noticed but you can see a photographer SMILING as that boy smashes in the windscreen, that will be a headline photo tomorrow.

Utter *****.

Oh, and I think I love that Zoe Williams girl who actually had a brain cell in practise...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol..._And_Cambridge

What a bunch of TITS in that video arista posted - this is what makes me angry. I could understand why the action may of been required the first time, to get a real 'splash' in the news but the people doing it are just doing it because they are thick *****s quite honestly. I'm not sure if you noticed but you can see a photographer SMILING as that boy smashes in the windscreen, that will be a headline photo tomorrow.

Utter *****.

Oh, and I think I love that Zoe Williams girl who actually had a brain cell in practise...

Yes Judas
But it is a Good Video of the Day by SkyNews ,right in there as it started.
That kind of battle is hidden on the Bloated BBC news sadly.

[Z]

It's not just in England... got harassed by canvassers to take part in a protest today (in Glasgow) but I had a class to go to; there's a knock on effect in Scotland whereby English students have to pay more to go to uni there; so they migrate up to Scotland which becomes cheaper than staying in England; which in turn affects Scottish students from getting places at university, generally speaking prices will go up to take advantage of the fact there are students there who are glad it's "cheaper than back home" (but actually still outrageously expensive) and so on.

I really hate this stereotypical view of students that a few people have expressed in here: we're at university because we want to learn, we want to graduate with degrees that give us a better chance to obtain good jobs and, in my own case, I've moved away from home and learned to be independent - I do not need a misleading political party affecting my life after I placed my trust in them to preserve it the way it currently is.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

It's not just in England... got harassed by canvassers to take part in a protest today (in Glasgow) but I had a class to go to; there's a knock on effect in Scotland whereby English students have to pay more to go to uni there; so they migrate up to Scotland which becomes cheaper than staying in England; which in turn affects Scottish students from getting places at university, generally speaking prices will go up to take advantage of the fact there are students there who are glad it's "cheaper than back home" (but actually still outrageously expensive) and so on.

I really hate this stereotypical view of students that a few people have expressed in here: we're at university because we want to learn, we want to graduate with degrees that give us a better chance to obtain good jobs and, in my own case, I've moved away from home and learned to be independent - I do not need a misleading political party affecting my life after I placed my trust in them to preserve it the way it currently is.

Zee for PM!

In fact, confirm something for me Zee.. Do Scots pay tuition fees? I know they were abolished years ago, but what exactly does a Uni student pay up here?

[Z]

Originally Posted by happyland

Zee for PM!

In fact, confirm something for me Zee.. Do Scots pay tuition fees? I know they were abolished years ago, but what exactly does a Uni student pay up here?

The government pays for tuition fees so long as you apply for them through SAAS, they provide you with an award notice which you need to pass the details of onto your university so they can process your fee payments. Otherwise students have have to pay for accommodation and buy course materials (books etc) and live off an income made up of parental contribution, any wages they earn themselves and can apply for a student loan which varies from student to student because they base it on parental income - I don't have a student loan because I was going to receive the bare minimum from the Student Loans Company and my parents said they'd rather find the extra cash themselves than for me to get a pitiful amount and have to pay it back + interest. It's pretty costly living as a student here when you take all of that into account from the point of view of parents, so I think it's important that it's not just students who are protesting these proposed changes, because it affects a greater number of people than you might imagine to begin with.

Personally, I definitely wouldn't be at university in another city if Scottish students had to pay tuition fees, far too expensive to pay Ł1820 on top of everything else! I'd be living at home and probably wouldn't be allowed to go to uni, which is why I'm grateful that I don't have to pay tuition fees!

[arista]

Youtube video

[arista]

"I really hate this stereotypical view of students that a few people have expressed in here: "



Sure Zee
but Live now on SkyNews is the Kettle of some students
Stuck.


So we can understand why now they are getting angry,
some are dancing though.

One Student Girl just shouted 'I Love you Mum'



The point is Clever Zee
What Now?

Students are not alone in this Hard Times.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

"I really hate this stereotypical view of students that a few people have expressed in here: "



Sure Zee
but Live now on SkyNews is the Kettle of some students
Stuck.


So we can understand why now they are getting angry,
some are dancing though.

One Student Girl just shouted 'I Love you Mum'



The point is Clever Zee
What Now?

Students are not alone in this Hard Times.

I watched that video you linked me to; it's clear that some people are just there 'for a laugh', either to cause trouble or to just be involved in some kind of rebellious action - it's good that that girl had the courage to step in and stop them, it was very brave of her and at least shows the difference between students who are there for a reason and people who are there to cause havoc.

I'm not really sure what else you're asking though. Sure, financial hardships are occurring everywhere, but putting people off education is a ridiculous idea compared to, for example, withdrawing from armed conflict; because putting up tuition fees to go to university is going to increase the divide between the rich and the poor; the informed and the uninformed and would actually, I think, push Britain back into the direction of having a distinct class system again by virtue of the fact education is no longer available to all who want it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zee

I watched that video you linked me to; it's clear that some people are just there 'for a laugh', either to cause trouble or to just be involved in some kind of rebellious action - it's good that that girl had the courage to step in and stop them, it was very brave of her and at least shows the difference between students who are there for a reason and people who are there to cause havoc.

I'm not really sure what else you're asking though. Sure, financial hardships are occurring everywhere, but putting people off education is a ridiculous idea compared to, for example, withdrawing from armed conflict; because putting up tuition fees to go to university is going to increase the divide between the rich and the poor; the informed and the uninformed and would actually, I think, push Britain back into the direction of having a distinct class system again by virtue of the fact education is no longer available to all who want it.

The withdrawal from Afghanistan is planned in fairness, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen overnight, it will inevitably be a slow and gradual process

[Z]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The withdrawal from Afghanistan is planned in fairness, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen overnight, it will inevitably be a slow and gradual process

Sure, but I was meaning more the fact that lots of money is spent on the UK essentially meddling in affairs that we don't have the right to, if we're so desperately needing money it seems to me that the logical thing would be to halt all non-essential activities (such as being in Afghanistan and Iraq) before resorting to increases like the proposed student fee one - whilst it's still unfair on students to have to pay significantly more for the same service, at least the government would have taken measures to try and prevent it getting to that stage. This proposed increase just seems grossly unfair because there's been no apparent effort to save money in other, less essential areas.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Zee

I watched that video you linked me to; it's clear that some people are just there 'for a laugh', either to cause trouble or to just be involved in some kind of rebellious action - it's good that that girl had the courage to step in and stop them, it was very brave of her and at least shows the difference between students who are there for a reason and people who are there to cause havoc.

I'm not really sure what else you're asking though. Sure, financial hardships are occurring everywhere, but putting people off education is a ridiculous idea compared to, for example, withdrawing from armed conflict; because putting up tuition fees to go to university is going to increase the divide between the rich and the poor; the informed and the uninformed and would actually, I think, push Britain back into the direction of having a distinct class system again by virtue of the fact education is no longer available to all who want it.

Students are supposed to be bright enough to understand that the money has to come from somewhere - where exactly would they suggest it comes FROM? This government have inherited a bankrupt country in hock for the next generation or so. We are ALL suffering, not just the bloody students. And as for that old chestnut about how we are all going to benefit so wonderfully in the future from all these graduates, that only applies to those who are studying degrees that actually are useful and will contribute to society, and they are few and far between. Furthermore, they will, by virtue of having further education, end up earning far more than the average wage, so what on earth are they bleating on about? The safety net is already in place for those students in the most need - let the rest find a way of funding their CHOSEN lifestyle, ie a further 3-4 years of STUDYING whilst the rest of us have to struggle to survive in the real world.

As for the rioting, it achieves absolutely NOTHING other than alienate students from any public support or sympathy. Bully boy tactics do NOT work and never will. If a student wants to study THAT much I suggest they get themselves a part time job and do what the rest of us have to do every single day - earn a living.

[Z]

Originally Posted by angus58

Students are supposed to be bright enough to understand that the money has to come from somewhere - where exactly would they suggest it comes FROM? This government have inherited a bankrupt country in hock for the next generation or so. We are ALL suffering, not just the bloody students. And as for that old chestnut about how we are all going to benefit so wonderfully in the future from all these graduates, that only applies to those who are studying degrees that actually are useful and will contribute to society, and they are few and far between. Furthermore, they will, by virtue of having further education, end up earning far more than the average wage, so what on earth are they bleating on about? The safety net is already in place for those students in the most need - let the rest find a way of funding their CHOSEN lifestyle, ie a further 3-4 years of STUDYING whilst the rest of us have to struggle to survive in the real world.

As for the rioting, it achieves absolutely NOTHING other than alienate students from any public support or sympathy. Bully boy tactics do NOT work and never will. If a student wants to study THAT much I suggest they get themselves a part time job and do what the rest of us have to do every single day - earn a living.

How condescending. Firstly, the protests are in part an angry reaction be being deceived by the Liberal Democrats who did a complete U-Turn on one of their manifesto promises; and considering that many students voted for the Lib Dems based on that promise, they've alienated their student support. Nobody is claiming that students are the only demographic of this country that are suffering; on the contrary the issue at hand is that these proposed changes are going to cause students to suffer more than they currently do - hence the riots. Your attitude towards students comes across as completely stereotypical and filled with hatred; so I'd like to explain my own situation in the hope that you'll stop and think for a minute that we're not all scrounging off the government and deserve to be penalised heavily for wanting to pursue academia.

I do not have a student loan and I have a part time job. I am a Scottish student, so my tuition fees are paid for by the government so long as I apply for them to be paid for before the academic year begins. That is the only aspect of my education that is paid for by somebody other than myself/my family; as a knock on effect of English universities raising their fees, many English school leavers hoping to go on to university will look to going places further afield: Scotland's significantly cheaper fees will attract lots more English students; making competition for places more difficult and disappointing students whose grades aren't good enough. What comes across in your post to me is that you're rolling your eyes at the idea of further education and think it's a waste of time - that's your opinion, but the fact remains that thousands of people of all different ages and backgrounds go to university to study each year and need some kind of financial support. Do your views apply to a single mother who is struggling to find employment so has gone to university as a mature student to get a good degree to aid her attempts to find a job? That's just an example of one type of person who isn't the 'typical student' that you seem to loathe.

There is no guarantee that someone who studies for a degree will get a well paid job - the job market is extremely competitive, a degree is no guarantee of employment. Being massively in debt (due to these proposed increases) and being unable to get a job because your CV still doesn't stand out from the crowd despite earning a degree, does that sound like an attractive prospect to you? In fact, it's a similar position to "the rest of us" who "have to struggle to survive in the real world" that you talked about in your post. We're all financially setback; if anything you're being prejudiced against students because of some preconceived stereotype that all students are lazy and just sit around getting drunk and doing nothing with their lives and then being handed a fantastic job - that's not the real world and I would have thought you of all people would know that, you're an intelligent poster!

I do agree with you about the rioting though - I firmly believe that the people causing trouble were, for the most part, hooligans who were there to cause trouble, and not students who were there to support the protest. Scenes like those captured in the media are just ridiculous displays of anti social behaviour and, you're spot on, do absolutely nothing to change anyone's mind about anything; instead it will only set people firmly against students. I really hope you read my post and at least concede that we're not all scroungers and wasters, some of us are here to learn and achieve something without being a burden on others.