[Angus]

It doesn't matter whether he was being filmed or not - it seems some on here don't get that he actually committed a prosecutable offence, with or without a global audience. Just because he was drunk does not exonerate him or mitigate the offence.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

It doesn't matter whether he was being filmed or not - it seems some on here don't get that he actually committed a prosecutable offence, with or without a global audience. Just because he was drunk does not exonerate him or mitigate the offence.

I get that, under our current legal system, it may well have been a prosecutable offence, I'm just saying that I dont think it should be

[patsylimerick]

Happyland, you are completely right. If we lived in a society peopled exclusively by logical individuals capable of independent judgement - universal freedom of speech would be a great idea. But we don't. We live in the kind of society where hundreds of thousands of people wait with bated breath on the proclamations of utter idiots - because they're 'famous'. These malleable masses need protecting from dangerous, hateful ideologies.
Here in Ireland there's an offence, under Section 6 of the Public Order Act, that you did "use or engage in abusive, insulting or threatening words or behaviour" which would happily accommodate Galliano's actions. Of course this kind of nastiness should be illegal.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Of course this kind of nastiness should be illegal.

meanwhile...

people are being mugged, raped, burgled and murdered and there are no police officers available. Because theyre too busy dealing with a drunk who slurred pro Hitler insults.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Zippy

meanwhile...

people are being mugged, raped, burgled and murdered and there are no police officers available. Because theyre too busy dealing with a drunk who slurred pro Hitler insults.

I think one officer, maybe two, could have managed. Are you suggesting we do away with prosecuting 'lesser' crimes altogether, to economise on manpower?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Zippy

meanwhile...

people are being mugged, raped, burgled and murdered and there are no police officers available. Because theyre too busy dealing with a drunk who slurred pro Hitler insults.

There is a shortage of police in Paris?

[patsylimerick]

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[Vicky.]

I dont get how he was 'inciting hatred' tbh. Just seems like a stupid drunken rant. And I'm sorry but judging by the video, the women didnt even seem too offended by it either. Giggling away.. not that that makes what he said right in any way, but I think this has been blown MASSIVELY out of proportion.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

...but I think this has been blown MASSIVELY out of proportion.

and this is the basis Im defending it on

big fuss about very little. No real victim(except himself now).

who the hell cares what he thinks about Hitler anyways?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont get how he was 'inciting hatred' tbh. Just seems like a stupid drunken rant. And I'm sorry but judging by the video, the women didnt even seem too offended by it either. Giggling away.. not that that makes what he said right in any way, but I think this has been blown MASSIVELY out of proportion.

You don't see how he was inciting hate? Are you serious?

Mind you.. You've already made your feelings known towards Jews... What was it you called the area you live? Jew Central? Nice

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by happyland

You don't see how he was inciting hate? Are you serious?

Mind you.. You've already made your feelings known towards Jews... What was it you called the area you live? Jew Central? Nice

Its not inciting hatred in my eyes no. Its being ridiculously offensive and insulting for no reason, but not inciting hate. Inciting hatred would be a hate speech, or trying to convert others to his vile views, not a few drunken stupid sentences :S

As for the second part of your post, I knew as soon as I commented in here that some dickhead would bring that up. I also was pretty sure it would be you. Congratulations on being so predictable

Yes, I did call Bensham jew central, as do many others. Im assuming you have never been there if you do not see why I have no problem with jews, except when they are rude to me, same as everyone else. However you chose to jump on one thing I said once and make it into something it isnt

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not inciting hatred in my eyes no. Its being ridiculously offensive and insulting for no reason, but not inciting hate. Inciting hatred would be a hate speech, or trying to convert others to his vile views, not a few drunken stupid sentences :S

As for the second part of your post, I knew as soon as I commented in here that some dickhead would bring that up. I also was pretty sure it would be you. Congratulations on being so predictable

Yes, I did call Bensham jew central, as do many others. Im assuming you have never been there if you do not see why I have no problem with jews, except when they are rude to me, same as everyone else. However you chose to jump on one thing I said once and make it into something it isnt

To be honest Vicky, I don't think you should be referring to me or any other member as a "dickhead".
You can't really go about your job and infract people for insulting other members, when you're doing exactly that yourself.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by happyland

To be honest Vicky, I don't think you should be referring to me or any other member as a "dickhead".
You can't really go about your job and infract people for insulting other members, when you're doing exactly that yourself.

Yeah maybe so. Guess I don't take being told I'm prejudiced because of ONE comment well. Shame on me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

.........As for the second part of your post, I knew as soon as I commented in here that some dickhead would bring that up. I also was pretty sure it would be you. Congratulations on being so predictable

Yes, I did call Bensham jew central, as do many others. Im assuming you have never been there if you do not see why I have no problem with jews, except when they are rude to me, same as everyone else. However you chose to jump on one thing I said once and make it into something it isnt

No, you obviously have no problem with Jews. Unless they're rude to you of course. But it seems it's okay for you to be rude to them, right? I expect you could have gone on to say that some of your best friends are Jews. Isn't that what people say just before or after they've made a slightly racist remark? I'm not even insulted because I'm a Jew; I'm insulted because you thought what you said was perfectly okay. I wonder if the Jews call it Racist D1ckhead Central? Not that you'd have a problem with that, right? I mean, you obviously don’t have a problem with calling people d1ckheads, so you shouldn’t mind others using it, surely.

The problem with what Galliano said, and with what this mod has said, is that it singles people out as different on the grounds of their race alone. If you're claiming your right to free speech in order to be able to wound someone verbally, then you need to look at your motivation and your morals. Here’s a thought, quite radical, but I’m going with it… what if we try to respect one another? We’re not that different you know. As Shakespeare’s most famous Jew, Shylock said, “Cut us, to we not bleed? Tickle us, do we not laugh?”

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, you obviously have no problem with Jews. Unless they're rude to you of course. But it seems it's okay for you to be rude to them, right? I expect you could have gone on to say that some of your best friends are Jews. Isn't that what people say just before or after they've made a slightly racist remark? I'm not even insulted because I'm a Jew; I'm insulted because you thought what you said was perfectly okay. I wonder if the Jews call it Racist D1ckhead Central? Not that you'd have a problem with that, right? I mean, you obviously don’t have a problem with calling people d1ckheads, so you shouldn’t mind others using it, surely.

The problem with what Galliano said, and with what this mod has said, is that it singles people out as different on the grounds of their race alone. If you're claiming your right to free speech in order to be able to wound someone verbally, then you need to look at your motivation and your morals. Here’s a thought, quite radical, but I’m going with it… what if we try to respect one another? We’re not that different you know. As Shakespeare’s most famous Jew, Shylock said, “Cut us, to we not bleed? Tickle us, do we not laugh?”

This exactly.. this is what up and coming generations need drummed into them, NOT that they have a right to say whatever they want to others.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, you obviously have no problem with Jews. Unless they're rude to you of course. But it seems it's okay for you to be rude to them, right? I expect you could have gone on to say that some of your best friends are Jews. Isn't that what people say just before or after they've made a slightly racist remark? I'm not even insulted because I'm a Jew; I'm insulted because you thought what you said was perfectly okay. I wonder if the Jews call it Racist D1ckhead Central? Not that you'd have a problem with that, right? I mean, you obviously don’t have a problem with calling people d1ckheads, so you shouldn’t mind others using it, surely.

I love how one comment on here gets blown so out of proportion

As for the bit in bold, they may well do, I dont know. And no, I wouldnt really have a problem with that. Its only words at the end of the day

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

You don't see how he was inciting hate? Are you serious?

you really need to go google the word inciting.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

you really need to go google the word inciting.

It come from the Latin word "incitare" meaning "to spur or start up" I reckon his rant was pretty much "spurring" hate.

You really need to go google "French law".. His actions were illegal. End of

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

It come from the Latin word "incitare" meaning "to spur or start up" I reckon his rant was pretty much "spurring" hate.

You really need to go google "French law".. His actions were illegal. End of

he wasn't stirring up or encouraging anything. He was just insulting for his own entertainment.

Ive never said anything about whether it was illegal. People do lots of petty things that are technically illegal but it doesnt mean they should all be clogging up the system. A simple warning is all thats needed.

anybody saying anything insulting to somebody else could be arrested following your logic. Oh wait, only if the insult ticks the PC list of unacceptable targets.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont get how he was 'inciting hatred' tbh. Just seems like a stupid drunken rant. And I'm sorry but judging by the video, the women didnt even seem too offended by it either. Giggling away.. not that that makes what he said right in any way, but I think this has been blown MASSIVELY out of proportion.

Yes, sure Drunken Rant
like Mel Gibson did.

But here his Owner is a Jew
so he could not have a Pro-Hitler Piss Head
anymore.

[MTVN]

^ Why did you use that amazed face?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

^ Why did you use that amazed face?

Because I'm amazed?

Why?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by happyland

Because I'm amazed?

Why?

I always think of that as a happy smiley, like when you're amazed in a good way that's all

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I always think of that as a happy smiley, like when you're amazed in a good way that's all

HAhah.. I see.

Yeah I suppose it does look kind of happy actually!

[Zippy]

I don't see anything wrong with the term jew central. It just simply means lots of jewish people live there. ffs some people really need to quit applying great meaning to simple comments. I have no idea whether Vicky is racist or anything thing else but a comment like that certainly doesn't convict her.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out peoples differences. I think you'll find it's a primeval instinct of human beings and the root of tribalism.