[CharlieO]

Channel 5 will make it very cheesy I expect.

[_Seth]

Originally Posted by TheManWhoLaughs

so a bit of music could help it a bit more tense.

No. If it's not actually tense in the house then they shouldn't try and make it tense. It's a REALITY show for a reason.

[Tony1111]

Meh, I'd cut the montage crap but I don't mind some music during taks to build a bit of tension. Also I strongly agree with the Eviticion music being axed, I like to hear the Boo's in full effect.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

And Rachel flying over the house as a super hero, you knew the show was a joke then.

oh ffs, forgot about this

Everything about BB11 was just a tacky mess.

Time to go back to just normal editing :s

[_Seth]

Originally Posted by Tony1111

Meh, I'd cut the montage crap but I don't mind some music during taks to build a bit of tension. Also I strongly agree with the Eviticion music being axed, I like to hear the Boo's in full effect.

Why would you want music added to make it tense? It's not a film or a drama.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBB

with ot being channel 5 i can expect the editing to be very basic tbh!

Also expect poor 420p Quality.

[Tony1111]

Well think about if it's a live task or when the names are called perhaps have some beating drums or something, I dunno you don't have to like it.

[MeMyselfAndI]

BB11 is my least favourite series , please can it be simple like BB5 :/

[Doogle]

I actually didn't mind the editing as that was the norm since it was my only series, but I've seen random episodes from BB3, 5, 7 and 10 and I can say the first 3 (not so much 10) were much better and wasn't so tacky.

[Jarrod]

Ok BB11 Was my first proper series So i got used to the Music ect. BUT! After rewatching loads. GET RID! Bring Back the basics!
Title Sequence and Credits, Time Bar ect and thats it!
The crowds were much better without the music!

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by Stu

I'd rather it retain it's own identity instead of just copy the inferior, more conventional and thus less special American production design.

"inferior" what r u basing that on?
Big Brother US gets way higher ratings and the ratings are getting higher each year. It also has high production value since its on CBS which i dont think will be there on channel 5

[AJ.]

Originally Posted by rk3388

"inferior" what r u basing that on?
Big Brother US gets way higher ratings and the ratings are getting higher each year. It also has high production value since its on CBS which i dont think will be there on channel 5

The production lies with endemol not the channel. Might not be an inferior entertainment show but definitely an inferior reality show. Ofcourse the rating will be higher for a country with 5 times more people & the ratings are getting better because the quality of the show might not be declining but it's not hard to keep the quality the same when you rely on manufactured drama & gimmicks.

[rk3388]

Originally Posted by DeejayAJ

The production lies with endemol not the channel. Might not be an inferior entertainment show but definitely an inferior reality show. Ofcourse the rating will be higher for a country with 5 times more people & the ratings are getting better because the quality of the show might not be declining but it's not hard to keep the quality the same when you rely on manufactured drama & gimmicks.

yes, but it depends how much the channel is invested in the show. Endemol US gets paid more for big brother us. And no the drama isnt manufactured, its the characters they put in the house that cause the drama, and since its a more strategic game theyre more prone to yelling and acting up than the uk because in bbuk 90% of houseguests act fake and all happy so the viewers wont vote them out, it gets boring.

Im just saying its not inferior

[Marc]

I quite liked them HA!

[AJ.]

Originally Posted by rk3388

yes, but it depends how much the channel is invested in the show.

Doesn't Endemol have complete control? Nothing to do with what channel it airs on & I think £200M from a broke broadcaster is a big investment.

Originally Posted by rk3388

Endemol US gets paid more for big brother us.

Irrelevant.. but the US has 5 times more people & I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't even true.

Originally Posted by rk3388

And no the drama isnt manufactured, its the characters they put in the house that cause the drama, and since its a more strategic game theyre more prone to yelling and acting up than the uk because in bbuk 90% of houseguests act fake and all happy so the viewers wont vote them out, it gets boring.

I worded it wrong but that's what I mean, the ratings don't slide because they can rely on making things happen with the constant gameplaying & gimmicks. BBUK relys on the HMs personalitys & when they're lacking the series is rubbish but more risk more reward, when it's good it's great when it's bad it's terrible where as BBUS (from what I've seen) always seems to be playing it safe & predictable like recent uk series hense why you're prob here

[Iamkontroll]

The Big Brother UK is far better than the US version. I do watch both but its always a much more rewarding series in the UK. I think because there is a highlights show everyday in the UK you can get a more complete experience and appreciate the subtle nuances as the house guests get to know each other and build relationships. Also since it is up to the public they seem more real to each other. The US version is fun but in a much different and much cheaper way. Since they themselves vote each other out each week (and there is always a head of household who is solely responsible for nominating) it becomes a game of whispers and manipulation with power struggles that shift week to week. Plus with the major difference of being able to discuss nominations and voting strategies it is all about having a "game plan" which is something that seems to be highly discouraged by both the UK house guests and the general UK viewing public. Not to mention the US version only airs 3 nights a week so much more is edited down into essentially the most drama filled minutes of the week. Because of all that the UK version just seems more polished and much more like a proper reality show where the US version is more like a soap opera pretending to be a reality show.

[happybbfan]

Without any live feed it will be an edited soap like TOWIE im afraid and wii in this case fail.Big Brother need live feed unlike other reality shows.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by happybbfan

Without any live feed it will be an edited soap like TOWIE im afraid and wii in this case fail.Big Brother need live feed unlike other reality shows.

Well, they haven't said they won't be a live feed so keep hoping. I wouldn't be bothered but do know a fair few people who really want the live feed to be part of the new era too like you do.

[iRyan]

I liked the task montages tbh. But I agree some of it was over-edited.

But I hated the music on exits and the stupid effects/graphics on the 'best bits'.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by rk3388

"inferior" what r u basing that on?
Big Brother US gets way higher ratings and the ratings are getting higher each year. It also has high production value since its on CBS which i dont think will be there on channel 5

R u? Speak English.

I wasn't talking about the quality of the entertainment - although I think that blows too. I was talking about the show identity and production which is painfully better in the UK version. Back in the day Big Brother had cutting edge promotion and graphics. The logo alone has become a cultural touchstone. The American version in comparison is very humdrum and conventional.

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You're entitled to your own opinion of course but mine is that you would want to be either incredibly biased or on some sort of drug that numbs the brain to creativity to think the American production design is superior.

[Iamkontroll]

Originally Posted by Stu

You're entitled to your own opinion of course but mine is that you would want to be either incredibly biased or on some sort of drug that numbs the brain to creativity to think the American production design is superior.

Agreed

[TheManWhoLaughs]

To be fair to the US version, at least they bother changing the intro when houseguests get evicted. The UK just stick with the same boring shot (and weak techno music) every year (though the US theme is pretty terrible too, compared to Survivor - but even the worst Survivor intros are more well-produced than the UK BB ones).

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by TheManWhoLaughs

To be fair to the US version, at least they bother changing the intro when houseguests get evicted. The UK just stick with the same boring shot (and weak techno music) every year (though the US theme is pretty terrible too, compared to Survivor - but even the worst Survivor intros are more well-produced than the UK BB ones).

Good job Patrick is banned right now.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by TheManWhoLaughs

To be fair to the US version, at least they bother changing the intro when houseguests get evicted. The UK just stick with the same boring shot (and weak techno music) every year (though the US theme is pretty terrible too, compared to Survivor - but even the worst Survivor intros are more well-produced than the UK BB ones).

Having an unchanging title sequence isin't a hallmark of lazy, apathetic production. It's just the way BBUK's are made. They don't feature housemates ... in fact they are specifically designed to look all ambiguous and futuristic ... so using 'well they don't change the titles to reflect who has been evicted' is an entirely redundant argument in this case, surely.

How would you go about changing the titles to reflect Gerry's eviction? Remove one of the blue triangles that flash up for about a tenth of a second?

[TheManWhoLaughs]

Originally Posted by Stu

How would you go about changing the titles to reflect Gerry's eviction? Remove one of the blue triangles that flash up for about a tenth of a second?

Fair point. They should have added a big picture of naked Carole to remind everyone of the real enemy

I get the UKBB is based more around an impersonal BB, but people do typically watch the show for the housemates, not for the graphic design. If you're favourite goes early, it's nice to see them in the intro and it shows how everyone has made an impact, whereas in the UK the early boots are just brushed under the carpet.

I think both approaches have their pros and cons really, I just think it's pathetic when people get smug about the US version being "dumbed down". For every horrible thing they've done, our show has done something as bad (and vice-versa), and lots of it comes down to personal choice.