[letmein]

Originally Posted by Tom

But straight men are the biggest minority and men having more power in business and government is because men aren't as attached emotionally as women are. You can't have a heart so to speak in those professions. Thats why the majority of people who work in public sectors like healthcare and education are women

1950 is calling, hon. They want you back.

[letmein]

Anyway, no gay people cannot get married in the UK at the moment. They can get a domestic partnership. No country should be fine with separate-but-equal status. Maybe that's just an American thing. Anyway, unless you're married, other countries will no recognize you when it comes to many services. They don't understand the concept of a domestic partnership. Elton John found this out the hard way.

For the last time, marriage is not a religious concept. Religions do practice it, but they don't own it. It has always been a legality, and goes back to the beginning of time. It was not religious, and even a century ago, women were property. It had nothing to do with god, or love.

Oh Shasown, it must be so hard not being a minority!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by letmein

Anyway, no gay people cannot get married in the UK at the moment. They can get a domestic partnership. No country should be fine with separate-but-equal status. Maybe that's just an American thing. Anyway, unless you're married, other countries will no recognize you when it comes to many services. They don't understand the concept of a domestic partnership. Elton John found this out the hard way.

For the last time, marriage is not a religious concept. Religions do practice it, but they don't own it. It has always been a legality, and goes back to the beginning of time. It was not religious, and even a century ago, women were property. It had nothing to do with god, or love.

Oh Shasown, it must be so hard not being a minority!

So America allows gay marriages in all states?

I would say religion came about before laws, even if it was just man bowing to the rising sun for returning each day.

Its not hard at all, but it must be even harder not understanding humour.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by letmein

Anyway, no gay people cannot get married in the UK at the moment. They can get a domestic partnership. No country should be fine with separate-but-equal status. Maybe that's just an American thing. Anyway, unless you're married, other countries will no recognize you when it comes to many services. They don't understand the concept of a domestic partnership. Elton John found this out the hard way.

For the last time, marriage is not a religious concept. Religions do practice it, but they don't own it. It has always been a legality, and goes back to the beginning of time. It was not religious, and even a century ago, women were property. It had nothing to do with god, or love.

Oh Shasown, it must be so hard not being a minority!

Double negative, totally negates what you are 'trying' to say - so no point in reading the rest of your post really, if it's more of the same.

[Stu]

letmein being unbearably annoying in debates as usual, totally undermining whatever points he has to make.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marc.

No you and Novo must wait

Spiffing

[Tom]

Originally Posted by letmein

1950 is calling, hon. They want you back.

Its nothing to do with being stuck in the 1950s. Theres more demand for those kinds of jobs by men rather than women just like female dominated jobs have little interest from men. Women can and do get there if they want to but on the whole they just don't want to in the first place.

[Shaun]

letmein seems to live on a planet where us gays skip around merrily and everyone who whispers something vaguely contentious about the homosexual demographic is imprisoned immediately.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shaun

letmein seems to live on a planet where us gays skip around merrily and everyone who whispers something vaguely contentious about the homosexual demographic is imprisoned immediately.

well you're joking, but it's not as ridiculous an idea as you may think. The middle east, africa, south asia and parts of south america, this is the reality. Well not necessarily imprissoned, in fact prison would be ideal compared to the fate most would face.

I can't think of any parts of the world were str8 people face that threat just for being straight.... can you?

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Locke.

I thought it was already legal

So did I... oh how out of synch I am...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Shaun

letmein seems to live on a planet where us gays skip around merrily and everyone who whispers something vaguely contentious about the homosexual demographic is imprisoned immediately.

Some people like to suffer for their sexuality, instead of embracing and celebrating it. Nothing worse than a tub-thumper.

[Cromwell1900]

1. Gay People should have civil Partnerships
2. Straight People should have civil Partnerships
3. Religious Straights should have weddings
4. God only knows what Gay Religious couples should have.


1. Why do gays want recognition from an institution that wants to punish them for their way of life. That injustice floods the Church and some of the more thinking Clurgy find obscure justifications to show that Religion is not Homophobic, which it clearly is, and a split in the Church grows. Gay people are revealing inconsistences within the Bible and Our Modern way of Life with their insistence on Marriage. Well done Lads & Lasses you go.....

2. This is where the Governments focus should be to equalize the rights of a Wedded couple and a Civil Partnership.

3. There's no reason why Religious people should not be treated equally than the rest of us, and if they want their Traditional Church do then it's fine by me

4. Assuming any Religious Gays exist which i would find hard to fathom, i would suggest instead of marriage, the kind of assistance a battered wife who stays with her Beating Husband receives.

[Niall]

Thank God. I'm glad they're actually going to make it equal rather than the kinda-sorta-equal-but-not-equal crap they got going on at the moment. I actually want to get married at some point in the future and have a family, so.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

1. Gay People should have civil Partnerships
2. Straight People should have civil Partnerships
3. Religious Straights should have weddings
4. God only knows what Gay Religious couples should have.


1. Why do gays want recognition from an institution that wants to punish them for their way of life. That injustice floods the Church and some of the more thinking Clurgy find obscure justifications to show that Religion is not Homophobic, which it clearly is, and a split in the Church grows. Gay people are revealing inconsistences within the Bible and Our Modern way of Life with their insistence on Marriage. Well done Lads & Lasses you go.....

2. This is where the Governments focus should be to equalize the rights of a Wedded couple and a Civil Partnership.

3. There's no reason why Religious people should not be treated equally than the rest of us, and if they want their Traditional Church do then it's fine by me

4. Assuming any Religious Gays exist which i would find hard to fathom, i would suggest instead of marriage, the kind of assistance a battered wife who stays with her Beating Husband receives.

Well that's the irony of the whole thing isn't it, because gay people can already get married in churches, and huge numbers do. There are plenty of churches that perform gay marriages, and gay people are religious just like str8s.

We are talking about the government though. Gay people can already get married in churches, and always have done. It's only the Government that doesn't recognize the marriages.

God has always recognized gay marriage.

God has never been the the problem, the problem has always been the government.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well that's the irony of the whole thing isn't it, because gay people can already get married in churches, and huge numbers do. There are plenty of churches that perform gay marriages, and gay people are religious just like str8s.

We are talking about the government though. Gay people can already get married in churches, and always have done. It's only the Government that doesn't recognize the marriages.

God has always recognized gay marriage.

God has never been the the problem, the problem has always been the government.

Interesting perspective.

But does God actually recognise any marriage? Have gay people always got married in church? When was that then?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Interesting perspective.

But does God actually recognise any marriage? Have gay people always got married in church? When was that then?

There are hundreds of thousands of gay marriages performed by unitarians and other spiritual ceremonies performed every year.

Gay people have never had a problem with God allowing them to get married. God has never stopped anyone from getting married. It's only the government not recognizing those marriages that is the problem.

Gay Marriage was never about religion, it's always been about politics.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

There are hundreds of thousands of gay marriages performed by unitarians and other spiritual ceremonies performed every year.

Gay people have never had a problem with God allowing them to get married. God has never stopped anyone from getting married. It's only the government not recognizing those marriages that is the problem.

Gay Marriage was never about religion, it's always been about politics.

So these unitarian and spiritual ceremonies have always been performed?

I know God has never stopped anyone from getting married, my point is has God ever shown he recognises either gay or straight marriages? I may be wrong but I dont think he has ever turned up with a toaster or anything for the happy couple has he?

I think Gay Marriage is a little bit about religion, I think lots of gays would love the religions they follow to openly accept them in the true spirit of the religion. You know loving thy neighbour as thyself etc.

[MTVN]

I don't see how you can say Gay Marriage is nothing to do with religion or God when you have the Catholic Church completely against the idea and campaigning to prevent it

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't see how you can say Gay Marriage is nothing to do with religion or God when you have the Catholic Church completely against the idea and campaigning to prevent it

And there are plenty of athiests against str8 marriage, does that mean that str8 people arn't really married? Of course not.

Different communities and religions have different belieefs, it doesn't matter what ANOTHER religion thinks, it only matter what you believe.

However the GOVERNMENT decisions affect EVERYONE. The catholic church doesn't affect EVERYONE. The catholic church doesn't even affect all catholics. The catholic church has no power over anyone at all. The government DOES have power over everyone.

[Chuck]

I believe you're underestimating the influence the Catholic Church has on society and it's influence on politics.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

And there are plenty of athiests against str8 marriage, does that mean that str8 people arn't really married? Of course not.

Different communities and religions have different belieefs, it doesn't matter what ANOTHER religion thinks, it only matter what you believe.

However the GOVERNMENT decisions affect EVERYONE. The catholic church doesn't affect EVERYONE. The catholic church doesn't even affect all catholics.

Do these atheists actively campaign to have marriage banned? Like some leaders of faiths are campaigning to keep gay marriages banned?

It matters if you follow a particular faith that wont allow you to marry the partner of your choice in your church of choice.

There is no such thing as "the government", there are governments. As much as the US likes to think it rules the world, honestly it doesnt.

While the Holy See does not affect all catholics those not strictly adhering to the rules set by Rome cannot really claim to be true followers of the Roman Catholic Church can they?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

I believe you're underestimating the influence the Catholic Church has on society and it's influence on politics.

Depends what country you're in I reckon, it hasn't got a whole lot of power in most countries anymore, not even here and we were hugely controlled by them up till quite recently

[Chuck]

But isn't religion the main reason many western countries haven't legalized Gay Marriage yet? It seems to me many politicians are just afraid they'll lose votes if they do something that many believe it's against their religion.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

And there are plenty of athiests against str8 marriage, does that mean that str8 people arn't really married? Of course not.

Different communities and religions have different belieefs, it doesn't matter what ANOTHER religion thinks, it only matter what you believe.

However the GOVERNMENT decisions affect EVERYONE. The catholic church doesn't affect EVERYONE. The catholic church doesn't even affect all catholics. The catholic church has no power over anyone at all. The government DOES have power over everyone.

Kinda flies in the face of your "God had no problem with Gay Marriage" claim which is a pretty bizarre statement really; like it or not the Catholic Church is the biggest Christian Church in the world and it's madness to think that Christian opposition is just an irrelevancy in the whole debate

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Depends what country you're in I reckon, it hasn't got a whole lot of power in most countries anymore, not even here and we were hugely controlled by them up till quite recently

It may not have the social power it used to have, but even if Gay marriages are legalised in the UK, if Rome doesnt change its stance, there will be no gay marriages in RC churches or performed by RC priests.

In time they may allow blessings of marriages to be carried out like they did with divorcees a few years.

And I cant say Sayed and Christian being allowed to partake of a Muslim Wedding either in the next few hundred years.