[ibkaz]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, Faye IS emotionally needy and insecure. Whether she is like this in the outside world I have no idea, but in the house Aaron unfortunately entered into a relationship with her and his odd behaviour towards someone he says he fancies IS messing with her head - and being the way she is, she is reacting to that.
This is only 1 example - when she burped, he rejected her and it almost ended the relationship. How normal is this? How could he possibly let something like that cause someone he cared for to feel disgusting? He goes around shaking his head and sulking over things she does that don’t please him. The overall impression is that he disapproves of her and is only with her because she perseveres. When she is open about her feelings, he is often cold and cagey. He refused to try and mend bridges with Jem, which he would have done if he really cared for Faye. All Aaron really cares about is himself and how HE feels.
He is certainly not aggressive towards her - his actions are subtle and manipulative. If Aaron really wanted her and made her feel cared for, Faye wouldn’t have any reason to be needy and Jem, her mother, the other mothers and many more of us who can see the true dynamics in this relationship would have no inclination to ‘pick’ on Aaron. He is playing her like a cat plays with a mouse - and stupidly she lets him and goes back for more.
I am not a fan of Aaron, obviously. I liked him the first week or two, then I was on to him. I don’t particularly like Faye either, but she is a young girl and Aaron has more experience of the world - he already has a failed marriage behind him. It seems to me that any woman entering into a relationship with him will have to mould herself to be what Aaron wants, or else she will be subjected to his moods and periods of aloofness. This is what people see who are not Aaron fans, and therefore more objective - from what I have observed on the net.

This is a fairly good read, however Faye has put Aaron down many times too, mention his son, calling him wierd because he hasn't slept with anyone for so many years, or snogged anyone for x amount of months, she even told him he is like a very attractive geek

Many a time when she be trying to have a conversation with him she would 'expect a certain answer to suit what she asked' when this didn't happen, she would say 'oh Aaron' and make him look small < hard to explain, but to me this is the same moulding situation that you speak of Aaron.

I think Aaron likes prim and proper ladies, it is not really his fault if he shows anoyance if he sees what he think os as childish behaviour ( this is probably from his upbringing)

He over reacts about things about Faye as much as she gets stroppy over things with him.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Alot of people have said 'Ohh, I feel Aaron is messing with Faye etc'. 'I get the impression he's using Faye' 'Aaron will dump Faye' etc. Forget the guess work and conjecture, can someone specifically give clear examples.

Bare in mind Faye nominated Aaron 3 times, slags him off behind his back, slags him off to his face, never let's him forget the fact that as a single man not then with Faye he kissed Maisy, and she draped herself all over Anton on evening and said 'have you got a semi Anton?'.

Thanks

Two things stick out to me

Harry said
"The attention to detail is unreal" regarding his relationship with Faye
Aaron made no effort to correct him.

In the bathroom suggesting she could of dumped her mates to support him. After he had took the brunt of the criticism after the stranded task

What do you think?

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

Two things stick out to me

Harry said
"The attention to detail is unreal" regarding his relationship with Faye
Aaron made no effort to correct him.

In the bathroom suggesting she could of dumped her mates to support him. After he had took the brunt of the criticism after the stranded task

What do you think?

So if Harry says something that becomes evidence. Really?! Tell me you're not a lawyer. What next, Jay says that Tom is a leprechaun so it *must* be true. btw Aaron also did correct Harry if you watch that back ONLINE.

Not sure what you mean about stranded task

[qwertyell]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

Harry said
"The attention to detail is unreal" regarding his relationship with Faye
Aaron made no effort to correct him.

Not true. Aaron said: "I do like her."

Harry: "I know. That's the problem." (or "that's what I'm worried about" - something like that)

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by qwertyell

Not true. Aaron said: "I do like her."

Harry: "I know. That's the problem." (or "that's what I'm worried about" - something like that)

Exactly but I think that was cut off right at the end of the HL but on BB website

[stitch1]

the only ones messing with fayes head are her sister and mother and not Aaron

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by stitch1

the only ones messing with fayes head are her sister and mother and not aaron

this^

[fitz2k2]

really?go back n watch highlights

[Kazanne]

No real evidence then,just proving that people are jumping on the bandwagon because whoever they are a fan off dissed him,sad really

[alex_front2]

I know, for a minute I was worried that there was some footage that I'd missed but it seems a bit based on what Harry cryptically said, Aaron admitting early on that he had some sort of game plan, Aaron kissing Maisy (before he got with Faye), the fact that Aaron often refuses to pander to Faye and an impression that Aaron gives off. That's it. That's it.

[jyunga]

Aaron: I really like you.
Faye: *burp*
Aaron ignores Faye for 24 hours.

That's not treating someone you care about very good. Should be telling someone how much you like them and then doing things that show you don't really care about them as you say.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by jyunga

Aaron: I really like you.
Faye: *burp*
Aaron ignores Faye for 24 hours.

That's not treating someone you care about very good. Should be telling someone how much you like them and then doing things that show you don't really care about them as you say.

But that's exactly what I'd do to be fair! You don't always have to pander to your partner. A relationship doesn't have to be about giving in. Besides I think it's good to sometimes be emotional unavailable.

Besides I think Faye was worst when she ignored Aaron, sought out Anton, leaned on him and asked him if he had a semi and didn't berate Jay when he called Aaron 'that'

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jyunga

Aaron: I really like you.
Faye: *burp*
Aaron ignores Faye for 24 hours.

That's not treating someone you care about very good. Should be telling someone how much you like them and then doing things that show you don't really care about them as you say.

She didn't just 'burp' though did she,WHY would she chose to do it down his ear!!! doesn't she realise SOME people were brought up with manners,not everyone finds this kind of behaviour acceptable.If Aaron did not like it,why should he pretend he did,just to keep the peace with her?Love someone who sticks to their principles no matter what.

[jyunga]

Originally Posted by kazanne

She didn't just 'burp' though did she,WHY would she chose to do it down his ear!!! doesn't she realise SOME people were brought up with manners,not everyone finds this kind of behaviour acceptable.If Aaron did not like it,why should he pretend he did,just to keep the peace with her?Love someone who sticks to their principles no matter what.

It's not about pretending he liked it. He can be disgusted and annoyed with her. But you don't normal ignore a person for hours on end because of something childish they did when they were drunk. His reactions are what make him come off looking like he is using her. I don't know of anyone that has really liked someone I know and acted the way he does when something happens he doesn't like. I'd like to believe that's just the type of person he is. But at the same time, it does make it look like he isn't very interested in her when he reacts like that... which makes all his "i really really like you" talk seem like game play at times.

ps: i like aaron and think he really likes her. he's just odd and she's immature... and BB feeds them too much alcohol = troubles.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jyunga

It's not about pretending he liked it. He can be disgusted and annoyed with her. But you don't normal ignore a person for hours on end because of something childish they did when they were drunk. His reactions are what make him come off looking like he is using her. I don't know of anyone that has really liked someone I know and acted the way he does when something happens he doesn't like. I'd like to believe that's just the type of person he is. But at the same time, it does make it look like he isn't very interested in her when he reacts like that... which makes all his "i really really like you" talk seem like game play at times.

ps: i like aaron and think he really likes her. he's just odd and she's immature... and BB feeds them too much alcohol = troubles.

Another problem imo is that when you start dating someone in r/l, you're not living with them straight away and in their company 24/7 that has to be a bit much for anyone, surely?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jyunga

It's not about pretending he liked it. He can be disgusted and annoyed with her. But you don't normal ignore a person for hours on end because of something childish they did when they were drunk. His reactions are what make him come off looking like he is using her. I don't know of anyone that has really liked someone I know and acted the way he does when something happens he doesn't like. I'd like to believe that's just the type of person he is. But at the same time, it does make it look like he isn't very interested in her when he reacts like that... which makes all his "i really really like you" talk seem like game play at times.

ps: i like aaron and think he really likes her. he's just odd and she's immature... and BB feeds them too much alcohol = troubles.

It could also be said that her nominating him 3 times is not the act of someone you fancy,also Faye bringing his son into an argument,faye giving Anton a drunken grope,sorry but there are lots of things Aaron should be pissed off about,faye has often ridiculed Aaron,have not seen him to that to her,maybe his way of handling things is to shut up and think about the situation,which some see as a sulk.he was very hurt when he heard Fayes nomination of him and again with Fayes family,imo Aaron would do much better to steer clear of both those sisters.

[Ellen]

He cant tell her to s*d off so his way of dealing with her is to remove himself from the situation or any situation in the house he doesnt like.

Maybe people think all his speaking, not speaking is mind games

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

He cant tell her to s*d off so his way of dealing with her is to remove himself from the situation or any situation in the house he doesnt like.

Maybe people think all his speaking, not speaking is mind games

maybe so, in real life he could just go home

[j9dw]

Originally Posted by jyunga

It's not about pretending he liked it. He can be disgusted and annoyed with her. But you don't normal ignore a person for hours on end because of something childish they did when they were drunk. His reactions are what make him come off looking like he is using her. I don't know of anyone that has really liked someone I know and acted the way he does when something happens he doesn't like. I'd like to believe that's just the type of person he is. But at the same time, it does make it look like he isn't very interested in her when he reacts like that... which makes all his "i really really like you" talk seem like game play at times.

ps: i like aaron and think he really likes her. he's just odd and she's immature... and BB feeds them too much alcohol = troubles.

I've read this thread and everything I've read has added to my personal conclusion that Aaron is an undiagnosed person with Asperger's Syndrome. They often come over as odd, but only because thy don't display the same reaction to things as ordinary people do.

He's not responding to social cues as people would expect. Watch his eye contact, he does less eye contact when he's under stress or in confrontation and to cap it all, the conversation that first got me thinking about it was when he was telling Harry about his obsession with Lego; how he gets excited when a new Lego set comes out and has a whole room of made up Lego models.

His reaction to the burp is classic undiagnosed Asperger's behaviour. If he had been diagnosed, the chances are he would have learnt that an ordinary person wouldn't have reacted in that way, but as it is, it wouldn't occur to him to modify his reaction. He's probably just as confused at Fayes inability to understand his reaction as everyone else is about his apparent over reaction.

I do hope he stays in because I'm going to be watching him in a different light now.

[Pink Pegasus]

As I've mentioned quite a few times, I have never really been a fan of Aaron's.
I find his moodiness and sulks unbearably annoying.
I do think that he has played a game by trying to make himself look like some sort of victim, not a bullying victim, but a "victim" in the sense that he whinged so much about how "dreadful" and "horrific" some of the other housemates are, and how he was just a poor, innocent, "nice" guy who had to put up with living with them all.
I think this was a game and a bit of an act, because I think he played just as big a part in trying to wind up Jay and Anton, but then as soon as they reacted, he would use it as some sort of false proof of what horrible people they were, and went to moan about it in the diary room, whilst acting like a completely innocent party in it all.
At first he had no interest in making peace with Jay, or trying to get along better - as was Jay's suggestion, until he heard all the cheers that Jay got the first week he was up. He suddenly started speaking properly again with Jay after that. I know he did nominate him again after that, but he was much nicer about him, and said that he was getting on better with him etc.
They've had their rivalries for sure, but Jay also seems to be trying his best to comfort Aaron after this nominations twist, so is clearly not the horrible human being that Aaron tried to make him out to be.

Regarding Faye and Aaron, I never really thought too much about whether it was a fake or real relationship. I just found them very annoying with all their bickering, and found both of their moody strops and sulks headwrecking to watch.
When I first heard of this twist I thought it was going to be absolutely awesome. I still think it was a really cool twist idea in theory, but the way it panned out just doesn't seem right to me.
It was unfair that two of the closest people to Jem got to vote, her mum and her boyfriend. It would have been fairer if it had just been one of them, but because it was practically two people connected to the person who likes him least, it was basically like Jem got to have 2 votes and give Aaron 2 nominations instead of 1.
I know that anyone they got for Faye would probably also be linked to Jem, that is one problem with having family in there together I guess. It just might have been fairer if they got one of Faye's mates to nominate instead of her Mum, who was going to side with Jem.

For the first time in the entire series I actually felt really, really, sorry for Aaron. His face and reaction to what was being said seemed like genuine disbelief to me. His fear both in the diary room where he felt like his reputation was in tatters for being falsely accused of leading on or using a young girl like Faye, his hands shaking in the garden. His very pained expression when he went to talk to Faye in the bathroom, and he just didn't know what to say to fix things. He just seemed completely genuinely crushed and heartbroken about the whole thing, and very very fearful that he is being portrayed as horrible to Faye on the outside.

So yes I think he definitely a gameplayer in alot of ways, but after watching all of his reactions to this twist, I think they were genuine shock, and that it was very unfair for him to be targeted so much by such accusations over Faye.
He is unbearable and completely ridiculous at times, such as sulking over the burping, and frosted flakes fight etc. I would dump someone like him in a heartbeat. However despite these things, I think he does hold some sort of affection for Faye, and think that the harsh accusations about his treatment of Faye are unfounded.

I actually think this could possibly work in Aaron's favor vote wise. As someone who normally can't stand him (apart from when he is being witty), I actually really felt for him tonight, and softened towards him slightly. Maybe some other people who are not Aaron fans will feel some sympathy for him too. (I know he has a huge fanbase anyways already so will probably be safe regardless)

[kistar]

I think Aaron is quite self contained and knows his own mind who he is excetera, Faye tries to make him react to situations and what she says and generally he doesnt, I think she finds that quite frustrating . Its like she wants to know she can "move" him but he isnt that type of person , also the age difference along side her emmotional immaturity makes it seem like he is playing with her , however in my opinion he is just not playing her game.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Half the people that say all of this, you'd think were living in the house itself or had 24 hour live feed

[jet]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfandI

Half the people that say all of this, you'd think were living in the house itself or had 24 hour live feed

Well, the other boys ARE living in the house. Maybe you would believe them? Watch the latest video on facebook.
http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-...s&fb_bmpos=1_0

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Well, the other boys ARE living in the house. Maybe you would believe them? Watch the latest video on facebook.
http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-...s&fb_bmpos=1_0

Yes, that's the same Tom who just the other day said that Aaron was the consistent one of the two of them and Faye was the mess? You don't think that the family nominations could have changed his mind at all?? Shock. Horror.

http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-...and-talk-Faye/

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, that's the same Tom who just the other day said that Aaron was the consistent one of the two of them and Faye was the mess? You don't think that the family nominations could have changed his mind at all?? Shock. Horror.

http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-...and-talk-Faye/

Exactly.

Just how they were planned to do too

The housemates now think that Aaron is massively unpopular with the general public just because of a couple of people, when they couldnt really be more wrong. Only JAY...and this shocked me a lot...seems to not have changed in his attitude towards Aaron