[Ammi]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Faye has had to live with her family all her life, he's known them for five minutes and we are supposed to feel sorry for him?

..her family have had to put up with her also..yes they've all had a cr*p deal.

[joeysteele]

Faye, hardly sees her Sister, Faye doesn't seem to care much for her Dad, no wonder she is as she is, I feel sorry for both of them.

You have made some fair comments recently fruit_cake but I see you are back to bashing Aaron time again. They are both at fault, things are rarely only just one person's fault,in that BB envrionment the problems are hugely magnified too.

Not one of my family would have totally ignored my feelings and laid into someone I liked the way Jemma, Fayes' Mum and the bf did after as you say knowing him only from the TV for 5 minutes,
Jemma wanted to control Faye from the first day she went in, Fayes main reason for rebelling against that was because she 'wanted' to be with Aaron. Jemma set out then to ruin him and their relationship.

I personally feel really sorry for Faye, her family will be interfering 'in her life, 'all her life' if she doesn't take a stand soon.
I would want to be miles away from the lot of them especially the Mother, my Mother would never,even had it been right, come on TV and be so cold and dismissive of my hopes for any possible future.

Sad we are back to the disagreeing part fruit_cake but it's never just one person's fault usually, I try to be fair.

Faye has a very unhappy life ahead with or without Aaron but that will in the end be down to her Family's interference and controlling attitude to her. Maybe they even interfered before too and that's how she got more hurt then as well.

[LivT]

Aaron is too savvy not to realise that he is being used as the proverbial, emotional punchbag... but is naturally feeling conflicted by his emotions. He is not qualified either, to be a professional councillor. The onus of lifting Fayes mood was put upon him, but he is out of his depth and Fayes deep rooted issues are not his responsibility.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LivT

Aaron is too savvy not to realise that he is being used as the proverbial, emotional punchbag... but is naturally feeling conflicted by his emotions. He is not qualified either, to be a professional councillor. The onus of lifting Fayes mood was put upon him, but he is out of his depth and Fayes deep rooted issues are not his responsibility.

That is all really true and a very fair comment.

[Beso]

After slagging her off for most of the day it was probably a cuddle full of guilt.It certainly looked as warm as an eskimos nose.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by exoticrosebud

i should think hes well sick of her continual moping, moaning and crying....shes not a particularly good role model for his son to be fair.....

But his continual moping, moaning, and sulking are?

His son watching him based on this show would just learn that people existed to just be used, it's better to control through passive agrressive tactics then convince through calm conversation, and that by choosing the fake personality you want to present to the world you can fool them into liking you no matter who you really are.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

After slagging her off for most of the day it was probably a cuddle full of guilt.It certainly looked as warm as an eskimos nose.

How on earth has he 'slagged' her off?

[soundslike]

Originally Posted by vesavius

But his continual moping, moaning, and sulking are?

His son watching him based on this show would just learn that people existed to just be used, it's better to control through passive agrressive tactics then convince through calm conversation, and that by choosing the fake personality you want to present to the world you can fool them into liking you no matter who you really are.

totally agree

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by LivT

Aaron is too savvy not to realise that he is being used as the proverbial, emotional punchbag... but is naturally feeling conflicted by his emotions. He is not qualified either, to be a professional councillor. The onus of lifting Fayes mood was put upon him, but he is out of his depth and Fayes deep rooted issues are not his responsibility.

Yes I agree with you completely there

[Beso]

Originally Posted by kazanne

How on earth has he 'slagged' her off?

.Didn't you see him to harry and the viewers saying how she changed as soon as she heard she was up for eviction..that to me is a clear plea to the fans, insinuating that she's game playing..

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't see them as cold eyes, he asked if she needed a hug, her smile said everything but in the back of his mind now,(as it would be in mine),is the fact that her Family have really all but punched him in the face.

His feelings as he was giving her a hug resembled someone pre-occupied in thought by the negatives there now were between them but he knew she wanted and needed a hug,so he did so.

He must be massively tender now from the crushing blow from her Mum and particularly the awful Sister, who first wanted to split them up and Faye to have nothing to do with him but then as she is leaving, tells him to look out for her.
Had she left them be, Jemma would not have needed to walk likely and he and Faye may have been even closer and more relaxed in their relationship.

His eyes were then, reflecting those negative thoughts but he did seek her out, he did talk to her, he did offer a hug despite whatever hurt he felt because of her family and Faye had also avoided him since her Sister went too.

He rightly cold have been seen as being cold had he 'not' spoken to her and offered to give her a hug, now that would have been cold.
I saw sadness and hurt in his eyes not coldness and if I was him I would now be thinking why did I ever let myself get into this situation.

He maybe realises he and Faye have very little chance outside now,he will know that even more when he watches programmes back once out, the still heavy bashing, quitter Jemma, is giving him on every show she goes on.

I wish I could tell him to pull right back from Faye now,to be a good friend to her in the house certainly but once out, to run as far away as he could from that destructive family. Just even for his own sanity.

Joey.
I could not have put it better well said.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

But his continual moping, moaning, and sulking are?

His son watching him based on this show would just learn that people existed to just be used, it's better to control through passive agrressive tactics then convince through calm conversation, and that by choosing the fake personality you want to present to the world you can fool them into liking you no matter who you really are.

Luckily his son doesnt watch the show. And I doubt Aarons behaviour is even seen as slightly odd outside the house. Noone would say it was passive aggressive for someone to walk away from an argument and go home, or wait an extra day before phoning/visiting someone as you were pissed off about something

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

lol u lot can keep him and his cold eyes

Jesus you are fickle. You like Aaron, You hate Aaron, You like Aaron, You hate Aaron (Repeat x 20 times a day)...

No wonder you like Faye...

[Suze]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Jesus you are fickle. You like Aaron, You hate Aaron, You like Aaron, You hate Aaron (Repeat x 20 times a day)...

No wonder you like Faye...

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

.Didn't you see him to harry and the viewers saying how she changed as soon as she heard she was up for eviction..that to me is a clear plea to the fans, insinuating that she's game playing..

Hows that 'slagging her off'??

She DID change as soon as she heard she was up for eviction!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Luckily his son doesnt watch the show. And I doubt Aarons behaviour is even seen as slightly odd outside the house. Noone would say it was passive aggressive for someone to walk away from an argument and go home, or wait an extra day before phoning/visiting someone as you were pissed off about something

Vicky, I already demonstrated to you how sulking in a group as a means of control is a passive aggressive behaviour trait. I even gave you a link to have a read about it.

cba to have that conversation again...

But you really think the cold passive aggressive calculating manipulator is something Aaron became when he went into the house?

No, thats his type. Thats what he is, and thats why he is a terrible role model for any child. The constructed part of his personality is the bumbling Hugh Grant gent- the part designed to push the public's buttons.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Hows that 'slagging her off'??

She DID change as soon as she heard she was up for eviction!

Only because of the pep talk from Jem. and not because she was game playing as aaron would have us believe..

[joeysteele]

I don't think people should bring Aaron's son into this debate, his son has never been part of the show in person at all and according to Aarons wife does not watch the show.

She clearly thinks Aaron is a great Dad to their son,that's all that matters and his wife will know far more than we do.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Vicky, I already demonstrated to you how sulking in a group as a means of control is a passive aggressive behaviour trait. I even gave you a link to have a read about it.

cba to have that conversation again...

But you really think the cold passive aggressive calculating manipulator is something Aaron became when he went into the house?

No, thats his type. Thats what he is, and thats why he is a terrible role model for any child. The constructed part of his personality is the bumbling Hugh Grant gent- the part designed to push the public's buttons.

EXACTLY,He does it all the time, time and time again, just the other day he was telling faye he can't wait to get out the house to slag his housemates off in the papers..last night as well when he went to faye to make up with her..it was her who had to sit up and reach into him for a cuddle...he really does have a nasty controlling side to him which to me is as clear as day....It's Aarons way or the highway..not once has he did anything that faye has asked him too to help their relationship.


Even on last nights h/l show he patronised alex into giving faye her coffee he had made, then almost bellittling her as she walked out the door to give her it by smugly saying good girl or something like that..he's horrible.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Only because of the pep talk from Faye. and not because she was game playing as aaron would have us believe..

Eh?? The talk Jem gave her do you mean??

If anything she probably cheered up because that evil with of a sister was gone, not from anything she said to her!

And if you interpreted what Aaron said as trying to insinuate that Faye is a gameplayer then maybe you just have a suspicious mind... Or shock horror, maybe Faye IS playing a game...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Vicky, I already demonstrated to you how sulking in a group as a means of control is a passive aggressive behaviour trait. I even gave you a link to have a read about it.

cba to have that conversation again...

But you really think the cold passive aggressive calculating manipulator is something Aaron became when he went into the house?

No, thats his type. Thats what he is, and thats why he is a terrible role model for any child. The constructed part of his personality is the bumbling Hugh Grant gent- the part designed to push the public's buttons.

Yes, I know that, but it would NOT be seen as passive aggressive OUTSIDE of the house to simply walk away from an argument would it...or to not call/visit someone for an extra day because you were annoyed with them? This is my point.

While it can come across as passive aggressive in that environment, walking away from conflict is a GOOD quality outside.

[coralqueen]

i dont believe his eyes where cold looking, just a case of, (what am i going to do next)!!

[tonyface]

Faye needs to be careful, I said early on that Aaron looks like Jeffrey Dahmer.
Those same cold piercing eyes.......



If she ends up as a bowl of soup one day, dont say I did'nt warn you.....

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes, I know that, but it would NOT be seen as passive aggressive OUTSIDE of the house to simply walk away from an argument would it...or to not call/visit someone for an extra day because you were annoyed with them? This is my point.

While it can come across as passive aggressive in that environment, walking away from conflict is a GOOD quality outside.

No, sulking is a passive aggressive trait in or out of the house. It is one used as a weapon and method of control.

Sulking is a negative trait, not a positive one, but I have stated all this before.

I get your point, and like I say I addressed it before, with links to support what I was saying. But ok, it's not like I am gonna change your mind, I can see that, so I will agree to just leave you to it. Lets maybe not quote each other again on the subject though? It gets dull going around in circles.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, sulking is a passive aggressive trait in or out of the house. It is one used as a weapon and method of control.

Sulking is a negative trait, not a positive one, but I have stated all this before.

I get your point, and like I say I addressed it before, with links to support what I was saying. But ok, it's not like I am gonna change your mind, I can see that, so I will agree to just leave you to it. Lets maybe not quote each other again on the subject though? It gets dull going around in circles.

Jesus...you honestly think walking away from an argument in the normal world is passive aggressive?! Or not calling or visiting someone for a day or two because they pissed you off?

I can see how it could be seen as that in the environment they are in now, but to say it would be the same outside is bordering on ridiculous