[Gravedigger]

Tom is a s*** and a ***t. It all probably stems from Aaron not wanting to get with him. And, no, Aaron did not "lead him on"...you can just imagine if Aaron had said to him outright that he wasn't interested that Tom (and probably all the HMs) would have berated him for being nasty.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

I totally AGREE she was shallow in what she said! it's not about confusing the truth with bitching. I was simply making the point that instead of him saying - geez Faye that's shallow, he went off and had a rant about her being shallow in the DR, to the audience.

I'm not meaning to offend you with the half a brain comment, it's just when someone is believing something that is so obviously false, sometimes you need to inject a bit of reality to get them out of tunnel vision mode.

Its obviously false to you ,not everyone, we all see things differently,it doesn't mean because we do not share the same views that we are less intelligent,imo I would rather Faye did her talking in the DR than to the other HMs I think it shows that she is not loyal to him,and I think Aaron choses to talk in the DR as he cannot get a decent convo from the Hms he's as much as said so.but no offence taken

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Its obviously false to you ,not everyone, we all see things differently,it doesn't mean because we do not share the same views that we are less intelligent,imo I would rather Faye did her talking in the DR than to the other HMs I think it shows that she is not loyal to him,and I think Aaron choses to talk in the DR as he cannot get a decent convo from the Hms he's as much as said so.but no offence taken

It's not about intelligence, there's a bunch of people with likely high IQ's who fiercely believe that the planet is inhabited by flesh eating reptiles disguised as humans, as a result of blindly following other people's bizarre thoughts or obscure theories.

I genuinely want Aaron to win, but i'm not going to support every action he says or does without question, as some choose to do. And if you can't see he was having dig at Faye's shallowness behind her back, to the audience, then so be it.

[Brother Leon]

Yeh I respect him for not losing it tbh.

[Ellen]

I think Tom has just been trying to wind Aaron up.
I agree with the posts that say Tom doesnt say anything to Aarons face though, seems a few snidy comments are what Tom does best.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

It's not about intelligence, there's a bunch of people with likely high IQ's who fiercely believe that the planet is inhabited by flesh eating reptiles disguised as humans, as a result of blindly following other people's bizarre thoughts or obscure theories.

I genuinely want Aaron to win, but i'm not going to support every action he says or does without question, as some choose to do. And if you can't see he was having dig at Faye's shallowness behind her back, to the audience, then so be it.

Where else is Aaron supposed to go to vent FGS, if not the DR? It's not up to him which DR visits are televised for "the audience". Or should he just go around slagging Faye off to the other HMs, the way she does him? Perhaps he doesn't do that because he does care about her and her feelings, unlike Faye who delights in playing the victim and fuelling other HMs' dislike of him. As for Faye being shallow - he speaks the absolute truth there. For a fully grown 23 year old woman she is extremely immature and self-obsessed.

I bet we don't see most of the venom the other HMs come out with in the DR about each other, only what it suits BB to air.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I find Tom very sneaky, he is always talking to the other HMs about Aaron, but never confronts Aaron about whats his issue he has with him, I honestly think tom fancies Aaron, & he is annoyed Aaron doesn't feel the same, and thats why he is always bitching about Aaron.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by kazanne

No he's not a saint,but when he was in the DR he was NOT bitching about her,he said they wanted different things,how is that bitching?

Exactly. He was just saying what many of us have been saying for weeks.

Now an older woman would be much better for Aaron than a young one

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by angus58

Where else is Aaron supposed to go to vent FGS, if not the DR? It's not up to him which DR visits are televised for "the audience". Or should he just go around slagging Faye off to the other HMs, the way she does him? Perhaps he doesn't do that because he does care about her and her feelings, unlike Faye who delights in playing the victim and fuelling other HMs' dislike of him. As for Faye being shallow - he speaks the absolute truth there. For a fully grown 23 year old woman she is extremely immature and self-obsessed.

I bet we don't see most of the venom the other HMs come out with in the DR about each other, only what it suits BB to air.

I totally don't have any problems with him thinking Faye is shallow, and as you can see if you read through my comments with Kazanne, i fully agree..

Plus, i have absolutely no problem with him bitching about it or "venting" in the DR room.

The comments i made were in response to you saying Faye will talk behind his back, but he would never talk behind her back. I just felt you were putting him on an unnecessarily high pedestal, like he's holier than thou, or something..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by angus58

Tom said something about "it's all about the theatre" I think, which Faye was nodding and agreeing with. Tom is vile, but Faye really is a nasty piece of work, sitting and openly bitching with the other HMs about Aaron, something he would never do about Faye. Neither has he ever nommed her, if anything he tried to give her a better chance of survival when she was up against Anton.

Faye is a total hypocrite banging on about HIS loyalty - where has hers EVER been for him?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

I find Tom very sneaky, he is always talking to the other HMs about Aaron, but never confronts Aaron about whats his issue he has with him, I honestly think tom fancies Aaron, & he is annoyed Aaron doesn't feel the same, and thats why he is always bitching about Aaron.

ALL true !!!

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

He did go to the diary room the other day and bitch about her and the shallowness of her wanting a Range Rover by the time she's 30, or whatever she said. Which i agree is shallow, btw. But when he was sat there, he didn't question her about it, which was odd. So, he's not a Saint!

I dont think it was quite the same. He was merely chatting to BB about how 'different' their dreams are and what they want from life. He didnt say she was shallow or slate her, just that he wondered if they could have a long term future. Granted he should probably of said this to Faye later, but honestly I think thats half their problem, he hates confrontation and she kicks off about everything.

Sometimes she even asks him questions to which there isnt a right answer just to kick off at him, so he probably thought it best to not mention it to her. Where as what she does is openly bitch about him to Tom or anyone who will listen, insult him to his face in public (did this alot in the early days) and nominate him.

The two types of behaviour just dont compare. Basically for all his issues (he aint perfect) he behaves relatively maturely, where as Faye is like a 14 year old girl in a proper relationship for the first time.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Granted he should probably of said this to Faye later, but honestly I think thats half their problem, he hates confrontation and she kicks off about everything.

It wasn't afterwards i was talking about. I was saying that he sat there and listened to all her tripe, didn't offer any input, then walked in the DR and effectively said she's shallow, and they don't have much in common.

I don't buy that defense that we hear every year, that housemate x doesn't say anything coz they're afraid of confrontation. Only a couple of days later he defied the group/pack mentality, and voted for who he wanted, and stood up for his principles. That's hardly behaviour of someone who avoids confrontation. It's great! i'm glad he did that, but it doesn't stack up with your reasoning.

[squiggle]

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Tom is aggressive, shallow, two faced, bitchy and sly and yet Alex chooses to overlook all that and never ever pulls him up about it which is something a good friend would do. I really don't think Alex is the sweet and innocent lovely girl that she tries to make out. She keeps quiet and sits on the fence a lot and never seems to defend Aaron even though she knows he is trying to look out for her interests. Im starting to think she is playing an even bigger game.

Me too

[Angus]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

I totally don't have any problems with him thinking Faye is shallow, and as you can see if you read through my comments with Kazanne, i fully agree..

Plus, i have absolutely no problem with him bitching about it or "venting" in the DR room.

The comments i made were in response to you saying Faye will talk behind his back, but he would never talk behind her back. I just felt you were putting him on an unnecessarily high pedestal, like he's holier than thou, or something..

Well they all talk about each other behind each other's back in the DR so I didn't think it necessary to include that as an example.

I was referring to the way Faye freely and vociferously constantly puts Aaron down to the other HMs, something Aaron does not do. That doesn't make him holier than thou, just a 100% more loyal than Faye is.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

It wasn't afterwards i was talking about. I was saying that he sat there and listened to all her tripe, didn't offer any input, then walked in the DR and effectively said she's shallow, and they don't have much in common.

I don't buy that defense that we hear every year, that housemate x doesn't say anything coz they're afraid of confrontation. Only a couple of days later he defied the group/pack mentality, and voted for who he wanted, and stood up for his principles. That's hardly behaviour of someone who avoids confrontation. It's great! i'm glad he did that, but it doesn't stack up with your reasoning.

Not the same at all. And lets rewind, she is sitting there talking to Tom (?) I believe not including Aaron at all he wasnt involved. So imagine the reaction if he butted into that conversation and said 'hey Faye can we discuss how suitable we are to each other in a long term relationship, cause I want different things to you' (he never said shallow btw)

Imagine how that would have gone down with the level headed not temperamental Faye!! Like a lead balloon thats how. So he just walked to the DR to collect his thoughts on the subject and ended up chatting about that a bit to much and overanalyzing it (like Faye does ALL the time)

That is totally different to standing up for your principles, he doesnt really care what Jay, Tom and Louise think of him, or Alex really. He never has, how you behave in a relationship (no matter how dysfunctional) is not the same as how you behave with other people you dont care about.

There are plenty of blokes who would gladly have a punch up for fun on a friday night (for example) but cannot bear confrontation in their own relationships and just cant face up to solving issues. Sorry its not the same at all.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by BJ

Exactly. He was just saying what many of us have been saying for weeks.

Now an older woman would be much better for Aaron than a young one

Are you making an offer there BJ

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Not the same at all. And lets rewind, she is sitting there talking to Tom (?) I believe not including Aaron at all he wasnt involved. So imagine the reaction if he butted into that conversation and said 'hey Faye can we discuss how suitable we are to each other in a long term relationship, cause I want different things to you' (he never said shallow btw)

Imagine how that would have gone down with the level headed not temperamental Faye!! Like a lead balloon thats how. So he just walked to the DR to collect his thoughts on the subject and ended up chatting about that a bit to much and overanalyzing it (like Faye does ALL the time)

That is totally different to standing up for your principles, he doesnt really care what Jay, Tom and Louise think of him, or Alex really. He never has, how you behave in a relationship (no matter how dysfunctional) is not the same as how you behave with other people you dont care about.

There are plenty of blokes who would gladly have a punch up for fun on a friday night (for example) but cannot bear confrontation in their own relationships and just cant face up to solving issues. Sorry its not the same at all.

I think you're reading far too much into all this, and getting very defensive. I was simply making the case that Aaron has said stuff behind Faye's back in the DR, in response to Angus58 saying he would never do such a thing. I'll repeat again, i hope Aaron wins, but if i see comments where i believe people are making any HMs into something they're not ie. Saint like, i'll put in my 50 cents worth, regardless of who i support.