[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's about how different classes portray the flag.

Are you inferring that the higher up the social classes, that they fly flags only out of patriotism and that very few may indeed be many as equally guilty of being as racist/xenophic as those lower classes, who shout about it.


I don't believe that xenophobia is limited to social class - at all.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Are you inferring that the higher up the social classes, that they fly flags only out of patriotism and that very few may indeed be many as equally guilty of being as racist/xenophic as those lower classes, who shout about it.


I don't believe that xenophobia is limited to social class - at all.

There are racists in all walks of life. But I think people who don't live in multicultural areas probably more likely to be less racist, as they have not experienced it, and still live in a genereally British populated part of Britain.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

It seems to be a problem with the working class and inner city areas. I bet the people who live in the coutryside and the middle and upper classes don't give it a thought at all. Then again they probably don't read The Daily Mail...

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Racism and bigotry isn't exclusive to the working class and inner city areas. If you believe it is, then you aren't as smart as I usually give you credit for.

Originally Posted by InOne

Where did I mention racism and bigotry

That's not what I was on about

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Oh forgive me, I excluded the word Xenophobia....

Unless of course, none of that was what you were 'on about'.....

Originally Posted by InOne

Nope, you clearly didn't get what I meant

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There's your quote above.

Now if it wasn't regarding racism and xenophobia (which is what the thread is about, and the ignorant people who show it), then what are you on about.

Originally Posted by InOne

It's about how different classes portray the flag.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Are you inferring that the higher up the social classes, that they fly flags only out of patriotism and that very few may indeed be many as equally guilty of being as racist/xenophic as those lower classes, who shout about it.


I don't believe that xenophobia is limited to social class - at all.

Originally Posted by InOne

There are racists in all walks of life. But I think people who don't live in multicultural areas probably more likely to be less racist, as they have not experienced it, and still live in a genereally British populated part of Britain.

You pulled me up earlier for mentioning racism in relation to your original comment in blue above, telling me that was not what you were on about.

Are you now are saying it is what you were on about - given your comment above?

[MTVN]

Oh God, Pyramid going crazy with the quotes again

[InOne]

Yeah I'm dizzy lol

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh God, Pyramid going crazy with the quotes again

I wouldn't need to if people actually stuck to what they said they meant.

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah I'm dizzy lol

Maybe stop twisting yourself in circles then.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You pulled me up earlier for mentioning racism in relation to your original comment in blue above, telling me that was not what you were on about.

Are you now are saying it is what you were on about - given your comment above?

You mentioned racism in your reply, that is why I mentioned it, we'd moved on from that little bit, you should keep up.

Now do you actually have a point or are you just going to keep try catching me out with wording? Because that does get rather boring indeed.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh God, Pyramid going crazy with the quotes again

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

You mentioned racism in your reply, that is why I mentioned it, we'd moved on from that little bit, you should keep up.

Now do you actually have a point or are you just going to keep try catching me out with wording? Because that does get rather boring indeed.

It's clear that you were refererring to racism and bigotry (despite making out as though you weren't).... - just clearing that little matter up.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh God, Pyramid going crazy with the quotes again

Originally Posted by Marc

Love the way mods come into a serious debates thread - to make light of it. Kinda defeats the purpose of having a serious debate section of the forum, does it not.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Love the way mods come into a serious debates thread - to make light of it. Kinda defeats the purpose of having a serious debate section of the forum, does it not.

Nope

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's clear that you were refererring to racism and bigotry (despite making out as though you weren't).... - just clearing that little matter up.

Wrong.

Next...

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

if you mean the flag and how it is flown (ie inverted)....



Correct




Incorrect

You can hardly tell the difference.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by SoBig

You can hardly tell the difference.

It's incredibly easy to tell the difference.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by SoBig

You can hardly tell the difference.

I thought that too, sheer pedantry

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's incredibly easy to tell the difference.

At first glance? No.

If you stare at it then, yeah.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I thought that too, sheer pedantry

In your opinion MTVN.... anyone who knows anything about their country, should be able to tell when their country's flag is flown the right way or not. It's hardly rocket science.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In your opinion MTVN.... anyone who knows anything about their country, should be able to tell when their country's flag is flown the right way or not. It's hardly rocket science.

I know plenty about my country thank you, and such knowledge is not determined by whether or not you think there a big difference in the appearance of the flag when it's upside down

[spitfire]

No, The Union Flag is not becoming a symbol for racism/xenophobia.
What Flag would you expect The British National Party to use?
The Tories use it too.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by spitfire

No, The Union Flag is not becoming a symbol for racism/xenophobia.
What Flag would you expect The British National Party to use?
The Tories use it too.

Nope, it's a tree

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I know plenty about my country thank you, and such knowledge is not determined by whether or not you think there a big difference in the appearance of the flag when it's upside down

At least I know when the Union Jack is being flown correctly - and I know the reason for it, now that's pretty basic knowledge as far as I'm concerned. You may not agree, but I think being able to tell if your country's flag is hung the right way, is fundamental.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

At least I know when the Union Jack is being flown correctly - and I know the reason for it, now that's pretty basic knowledge as far as I'm concerned. You may not agree, but I think being able to tell if your country's flag is hung the right way, is fundamental.

Well woop de doo, there are far more important things to know about the UK

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Nope, it's a tree

http://www.conservatives.com/

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well woop de doo, there are far more important things to know about the UK

Deary me. Weren't you inferring I was being pedantic only a few posts ago: and now you appear to be doing similar to what you accused me of .

I do believe there may be far more important things to know, but given that this is a thread debating and discussing the Union Jack (as you tried to point out to me earlier on remember), I'd say it was an important part of the discussion - rather than somewhat childish 'well, woop de doo' comment.

After all, it is meant to be a SERIOUS DEBATES thread MTVN.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by InOne

There are racists in all walks of life. But I think people who don't live in multicultural areas probably more likely to be less racist, as they have not experienced it, and still live in a genereally British populated part of Britain.

That's not my experience. I come from a very ethnically mixed part of east London. While there were tensions at times, on the whole people were more accepting of each other and likely to have friends and colleagues from a variety of nationalities. Now I live in the countryside where it's almost exclusively white, and I have never heard such xenophobic bull**** in my life. Some of the outrageously racist comments I've heard people make with absolutely no shame at all have taken my breath away at times. I think those who don't mix with people of other ethnic backgrounds and have no experience of them see them as different, whereas people who mix with them all the time realise that we all bleed red.