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Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 04:59 PM

I'm not getting a good feeling about this one...........

MTVN · 12-12-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

I'm not getting a good feeling about this one...........

This what?

Mystic Mock · 12-12-2011, 05:05 PM

Good as we didnt want a sequel to the riots.

Omah · 12-12-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

And? If someone came up to me in the street and threatened to stab my heart out I'd want them imprisoned for my own personal safety, the same thing applies here except instead of protecting an individual, the idea is to protect an entire area. Why leave things under the pretense that 'oh, it hasn't happened yet so we won't bother', for it then to possibly happen and for it to be too late? Why not prevent those chances of anything happening early?

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Originally Posted by Snowball

I'll let you read my further comment a few posts back for further details.

The post below sums up my opinion :

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Originally Posted by MTVN

But would you expect them to get the same sentence as someone who did actually stab you in the heart?

The lines are being blurred here between potential crimes, and actual crimes, they're not the same thing, you can't create some kind of equivalency between creating a facebook page for a riot and actually causing one, actually causing serious damage, actually causing arson, actually causing theft etc. etc.

Exactly .....

Mystic Mock · 12-12-2011, 05:14 PM

So MTVN and Omah,would you wait until its to late like the last time the riots happened? I agree with the new approach and that is stopping them before they get to powerful.

I also will add that if it was Al Qaeda that had threatened to cause trouble somewhere in this country you would not be saying that was harsh that they got sentenced even though they didnt do it.

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah

The post below sums up my opinion :

Good for you. They don't sum up mine.

Prevention is better than cure.

MTVN · 12-12-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem

So MTVN and Omah,would you wait until its to late like the last time the riots happened? I agree with the new approach and that is stopping them before they get to powerful.

I also will add that if it was Al Qaeda that had threatened to cause trouble somewhere in this country you would not be saying that was harsh that they got sentenced even though they didnt do it.

Since when was it a choice between letting riots go ahead or giving them 3 years in jail? No I would have them given what I consider to be a fairer punishment

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem

So MTVN and Omah,would you wait until its to late like the last time the riots happened? I agree with the new approach and that is stopping them before they get to powerful.

I also will add that if it was Al Qaeda that had threatened to cause trouble somewhere in this country you would not be saying that was harsh that they got sentenced even though they didnt do it.

Let's use another example.

Say riots would have taken place on the back of these idiots trying to get it all kicking off up in Scotland........ I bet my house that both Omah and MTVN would be the first ones to say, "They knew they were going to do it, the Police should have acted, they had the info there, rather than let it happen".

If that would had happened, no doubt both of you would have found fault with that also.

MTVN · 12-12-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

Let's use another example.

Say riots would have taken place on the back of these idiots trying to get it all kicking off up in Scotland........ I bet my house that both Omah and MTVN would be the first ones to say, "They knew they were going to do it, the Police should have acted, they had the info there, rather than let it happen".

If that would had happened, no doubt both of you would have found fault with that also.

This is stupid, whatever the sentence was the police arrested them and nothing happened, the fact that no riots took place in Dundee is completely irrelevant to the severity of their sentence which was only given today

Omah · 12-12-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem

So MTVN and Omah,would you wait until its to late like the last time the riots happened? I agree with the new approach and that is stopping them before they get to powerful.

Banging up a couple of kids for Facebook entries is not going to stop riot and insurrection - there are other means of communication and organisation .....

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem

I also will add that if it was Al Qaeda that had threatened to cause trouble somewhere in this country you would not be saying that was harsh that they got sentenced even though they didnt do it.

Does Al Qaeda use Facebook to arrange meetings ..... ?

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

This what?

I'll let you know when (if) it happens. I'll tip you the nod.

Omah · 12-12-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

Good for you. They don't sum up mine.

Prevention is better than cure.

Prevention of this non-event cured nothing - it just created a couple of career-criminals .....

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

This is stupid, whatever the sentence was the police arrested them and nothing happened, the fact that no riots took place in Dundee is completely irrelevant to the severity of their sentence which was only given today

It's far from stupid.

I see you are completely avoiding the "Prevention is better than cure" and the fact that these idiots will be used as an example ....... to avoid nutjobs from trying to pull off a stunt like this in the future - a stunt which may actually cause mayhem as was the intention with these idiots.

Mystic Mock · 12-12-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah

Banging up a couple of kids for Facebook entries is not going to stop riot and insurrection - there are other means of communication and organisation .....

Does Al Qaeda use Facebook to arrange meetings ..... ?

1. The only way you will get these scum to learn right from wrong is by giving them harsh sentences,although I would give higher if the worser crimes was sentenced higher aswell.

2. I was giving an example (yes a bit of an extreme example) but an example none of the less and I still think if it happened and they got caught you know people would be praising the Governments and the Police.

MTVN · 12-12-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

I'll let you know when (if) it happens. I'll tip you the nod.

Don't talk in riddles, what did you mean with your other post

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah

Prevention of this non-event cured nothing - it just created a couple of career-criminals .....

The sentence they have been given will have given out a message to other reprobates not to try to pull a stunt like this...... in an effort to prevent such a FB campaign from recurring again.

MTVN · 12-12-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

It's far from stupid.

I see you are completely avoiding the "Prevention is better than cure" and the fact that these idiots will be used as an example ....... to avoid nutjobs from trying to pull off a stunt like this in the future - a stunt which may actually cause mayhem as was the intention with these idiots.

I hate "making an example" of people, with that reasoning you're chucking them under a bus purely to uphold some principle and to make a point. You might consider it effective but that doesn't make it just.

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

I hate "making an example" of people, with that reasoning you're chucking them under a bus purely to uphold some principle and to make a point. You might consider it effective but that doesn't make it just.

Hell mend them then - they should have thought of that before they thought it would be an amusing thing to do. They're laughing at the other side of the face now. I doubt they will do the same thing again......if the lesson taught has to be a hard one, so be it.

They were banged up for 3 years, they'll be out this time next year - hardly being chucked under a bus.

Omah · 12-12-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

The sentence they have been given will have given out a message to other reprobates not to try to pull a stunt like this......

No, it won't - it will have just given out a message that stupid teenagers will get banged up with hairy-assed neanderthals .....

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Originally Posted by Snowball

in an effort to prevent such a FB campaign from recurring again.

There was NO "campaign" .....

Pyramid* · 12-12-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah

No, it won't - it will have just given out a message that stupid teenagers will get banged up with hairy-assed neanderthals .....

There was NO "campaign" .....

Good....that will make them think twice about doing it again.

Well it certainly wasn't a friendly invite over to their place for Wine and Cheese.

Omah · 12-12-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

Well it certainly wasn't a friendly invite over to their place for Wine and Cheese.

Very true - there was no mention of deep-fried Mars Bars and Buckfast, either ......

Bollo · 12-12-2011, 06:33 PM

There is a guy fairly near to where we are (southampton)going on trial for similar in Feb.
I remember at the time that a lot of people who where working in offices/ shops in southampton went home early and shut up shop because the police took these facebook pages seriuosly, and a lot of people were worried sick.

In my opinion these people deserve all they get