[InOne]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

Absolute nonsense.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Absolute nonsense.

Not really.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by InOne

Absolute nonsense.

Not at all,it's someone elses opinion and just as valid as anyone elses.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

People usually get VERY emotional when they have had a shedload of drink taken....

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

Never heard of him!!

So it's the twins fault for reacting the way they did, not Denise's fault for instigating the whole thing. Oookay.

Nicola tried to seperate Kristina and Denise so it wouldn't escalate. The drunken hag wouldn't let it lie then Frankie stuck his beak in so Nicola thought, right ****** it.

Denise's emotion was as fake as the twins t!ts and used to manipulate the group into giving her sympathy.

Most people i know are happy drunks. Denise is a trainwreck when she drinks. She gets aggressive and acts inappropriately.

That wasn't bullying, you cheapen the meaning by using that term in this instance.

The twins aren't one person you know.
Kristina flashed her bra. Karissa didn't.
You say that you don't condone it but you then try and justify the incident by saying one of the twins lifted her top. You also assume they are promiscuous. And if you weren't trying to justify it why even mention those things?

Frankie's the slag by the way. (90 women and counting...)

[Petershaw1984]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Never heard of him!!

So it's the twins fault for reacting the way they did, not Denise's fault for instigating the whole thing. Oookay.

Nicola tried to seperate Kristina and Denise so it wouldn't escalate. The drunken hag wouldn't let it lie then Frankie stuck his beak in so Nicola thought, right ****** it.

Denise's emotion was as fake as the twins t!ts and used to manipulate the group into giving her sympathy.

Most people i know are happy drunks. Denise is a trainwreck when she drinks. She gets aggressive and acts inappropriately.

That wasn't bullying, you cheapen the meaning by using that term in this instance.

The twins aren't one person you know.
Kristina flashed her bra. Karissa didn't.
You say that you don't condone it but you then try and justify the incident by saying one of the twins lifted her top. You also assume they are promiscuous and if you weren't trying to justify it why even mention those things?

Frankie's the slag by the way. (90 women and counting...)

You will soon realise the error of you ways.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her"

The slight was not against the poppadom, and that misses the whole issue spectacularly. You don't have to use the race of the person in order to be racist, and Jade was racist. It's disappointing that you can't see how how racist Jade was, but you've got your opinion and I doubt I could change that in one paragraph.

I just implore you to do some research.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her"

.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her"

.

[wendywillow]

denise messed up by pulling down the pants (you dont do that even if she were a pornstar/ho which shes not) and the twins were wrong to totally overreact, well one did anyway.....basically a drunken mess. i feel for denise cause i like her and when she drinks she just gets herself into trouble...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The slight was not against the poppadom, and that misses the whole issue spectacularly. You don't have to use the race of the person in order to be racist, and Jade was racist. It's disappointing that you can't see how how racist Jade was, but you've got your opinion and I doubt I could change that in one paragraph.

I just implore you to do some research.

As i told you earlier I will not discuss this with you ,but will pull you up on one thing ,the ONLY thing Jade said was "Shilpa Poppadom" I watched the entire series i od not have to do any research ,END OF SUBJECT

[Bojangles]

The twins are turning into naggers now and boring everyone with harping on about the incident.

[Bojangles]

I hope they get evicted tomorrow with Nicola.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As i told you earlier I will not discuss this with you ,but will pull you up on one thing ,the ONLY thing Jade said was "Shilpa Poppadom" I watched the entire series i od not have to do any research ,END OF SUBJECT

Jade was racist. End of subject!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

I hope they get evicted tomorrow with Nicola.

Me too ,they are SO sure they have won this show and Denise and Frankie are leaving tomorrow ,wine chilling ,door will be locked, phone off the hook and I will be glued to the tv

[cell]

You could see the cogs turning in Karissa's (?) head after her pants were down. From laughing at it, then acknowledging the context of the situation and becoming progressively agitated, threatening to sue etc. It comes down to the fact that she doesn't want to show anything on TV she is not paid for. She has mentioned many times needing to have additional contracts (ie. compensation) for "extras" she does not feel BB is entitled to for the pay she received. The OTT reaction was a drunken temper tantrum, I held it on track to their character, it didn't change my opinion of them. But Nicola should take a taste of her "you will watch this back and regret your actions" medicine.

[vortex]

Everybody was wrong in the situation and the alcohol fueled the fire to unnecesary proportions.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by cell

You could see the cogs turning in Karissa's (?) head after her pants were down. From laughing at it, then acknowledging the context of the situation and becoming progressively agitated, threatening to sue etc. It comes down to the fact that she doesn't want to show anything on TV she is not paid for. She has mentioned many times needing to have additional contracts (ie. compensation) for "extras" she does not feel BB is entitled to for the pay she received. The OTT reaction was a drunken temper tantrum, I held it on track to their character, it didn't change my opinion of them. But Nicola should take a taste of her "you will watch this back and regret your actions" medicine.

She slipped up tonight when she said "I was too busy calculating how to react"that was very telling.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by kazanne

She slipped up tonight when she said "I was too busy calculating how to react"that was very telling.

Very telling indeed, I think she forgot herself for a moment.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As i told you earlier I will not discuss this with you ,but will pull you up on one thing ,the ONLY thing Jade said was "Shilpa Poppadom" I watched the entire series i od not have to do any research ,END OF SUBJECT

Sorry, but you don't get to decide what the facts are, and when it's end of subject.

I asked you to research, not the events of the series, but why that could be classed as racist.

You made the point that poppadom is not a race, not me. Why are you so anti discussing this with me? You have a valid opinion (in your own mind) then you should be more than happy to justify it. I defended you in another thread about you being racist against the Americans (a least I think it was you, but apologies if it isn't), so I do not have any issues with you at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Not at all,it's someone elses opinion and just as valid as anyone elses.

This.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her"

I'm pretty sure all Woolies stores have closed lol. But, can you not take the subject into the appropriate Jade and Shilpa thread.

[JAJ1942]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

• After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
• When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

That is my view also, Denise just wouldn't let go so I don't see where all this Denise sympathy is coming from, she still won't admit that she did anything wrong, as always with Denise it was just "fun" well people have different ideas of "fun" and she should be more aware of other people not just me, me, me all the time - disgusting woman.

[Semtex]

It looks like waterworks works on some people.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Semtex

It looks like waterworks works on some people.

Absolutely right. Denise has played the public way more than the Twins have. Denise also plays her husband, her friends and family and her fans, all of whom have enabled her unacceptable behaviour for years to the point that she thinks she can get away with it whenever she wants, and people just have to "forgive" her. Why should Denise seek help for her problems when she has shed loads of apologists explaining on her behalf why she is a poor ickle victim that nobody "gets"? Why is it everyone else's fault that they have no sense of humour and situations go tits up when Denise wants to get rat a*sed and come out to play. Everyone is expected to "understand" Denise - WHY FFS? There's nowt to understand really, she is as shallow as a puddle of cheap wine.

I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Denise because it is abundantly clear that people enjoy laughing AT her - she is a figure of fun now and someone to be pitied, and whose fault is that? I'd say it's the fault of those who continue to make excuses for her, which gives her no incentive whatsoever to seek help for her alcohol addiction. If you're a depressive like Denise, the last thing you need is to be on the sauce continually. It's all going to end in tears if those who care about her don't rein her in. Who will they blame then? Not themselves I bet

[Kizzy]

i wish someone would knock the violins off, denise is as scheming, manipulative and self serving as as the other girls. Im not fooled maybe karissa did use a situation to her advantage however who creates all these situations?..denise.