[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There is a difference between saying something rude and racism. I haven't seen the comments but I would assume that if the police saw fit to arrest this guy they must have been pretty racist and hatred inciting.

well there is a difference between American views of free speech and European views.

Personally i don't believe words should ever be criminalized, no matter how hateful they are, they are still just words. And this was ONLINE.

Where are all the ANTI-SOPA people now worried about censoring the internet??

words are words, actions are actions.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well there is a difference between American views of free speech and European views.

Personally i don't believe words should ever be punished, no matter how hateful they are, they are still just words. And this was ONLINE.

Where are all the ANTI-SOPA people now worried about censoring the internet??

words are words, actions are actions.

Words cause actions. I'm glad that over here the police think like me and not you then

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Words cause actions. I'm glad that over here the police think like me and not you then

hmm, yet you are still just as if not more racist in Europe, so obviously criminalizing words does nothing to stop racism.

[Kizzy]

Why would you suggest europeans are more racist?
Do you have any evidence to support that comment alex?

[Marc]

Alex you can't call people racist or insinuate that somebody is more racist than you based on their nationality.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Why would you suggest europeans are more racist?
Do you have any evidence to support that comment alex?

i never said that. Stop making crap up plz.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Wow...

Wow what? Fools can say what they like, if you're a mature person you should be able to understand that there are hateful people and not let it upset you so much. It's very dangerous when having unpopular opinions can get you arrested.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc

Alex you can't call people racist or insinuate that somebody is more racist than you based on their nationality.

i never said any nationality was more racist.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Words cause actions. I'm glad that over here the police think like me and not you then

There's a difference between espousing hatred and inciting people to carry out hateful actions. If someone is trying to get people to commit crimes, that's when it goes beyond just free speech and should be deemed a crime.

[Ammi]

These half stories are annoying..what was said is the whole point of this and I don't know what that was..unless I do..I'll just have to trust that it justified the police arrest

[Livia]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

There's a difference between espousing hatred and inciting people to carry out hateful actions. If someone is trying to get people to commit crimes, that's when it goes beyond just free speech and should be deemed a crime.

You don't know what he said any more than I do. And yet... already there are people standing up for his right post stuff racist enough to have got him arrested.

I wonder how many people advocating people's right to say racist things have ever been racially abused themselves. Not many, I bet.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

There's a difference between espousing hatred and inciting people to carry out hateful actions. If someone is trying to get people to commit crimes, that's when it goes beyond just free speech and should be deemed a crime.

eggsactly.

If someone encourages people to ACT violently against another race, then THAT is a crime. But saying some thing racist as a belief or as a joke or anyother reason should not be a crime.

IF it's a crime to say something racist, then surely any kind of discriminatory speach should be crimnal, and half of the UK should be in jail for homophobia.

I guess we should lock up every teenager that says "that's gay" on a youtube video.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

There's a difference between espousing hatred and inciting people to carry out hateful actions. If someone is trying to get people to commit crimes, that's when it goes beyond just free speech and should be deemed a crime.

Well, it's all speculation anyway because I have no idea what was actually said but it must have been pretty bad for the police to actually arrest the guy

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't know what he said any more than I do. And yet... already there are people standing up for his right post stuff racist enough to have got him arrested.

I wonder how many people advocating people's right to say racist things have ever been racially abused themselves. Not many, I bet.

Everyone has faced discrimination in some form Livia, and racism is no worse than any other form of discrimination.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Ammi

These half stories are annoying..what was said is the whole point of this and I don't know what that was..unless I do..I'll just have to trust that it justified the police arrest

As the story says, the comments are still in the feed.

[Brother Leon]

He went as far as to laugh at the thought of his mother crying over his "HIV infested, criminal body". He can rot in hell as far as I care.


Would love to see him encounter some real "black criminals" in a Jail. He would barely make it out the first day.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf if he was hurting someone violently because of the colour of there skin then I would be the first to say lock him up,but as he made distasteful and vile jokes (which loads of us have done in the past) then he shouldn't be locked up imo as you don't see people on here being arrested for calling Nadia a dick and a knob,and trust me they mean't it as a transphobic remark.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

He went as far as to laugh at the thought of his mother crying over his "HIV infested, criminal body". He can rot in hell as far as I care.


Would love to see him encounter some real "black criminals" in a Jail. He would barely make it out the first day.

what a lovely and enlightened response. nice to see that you are taking the high ground.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

He went as far as to laugh at the thought of his mother crying over his "HIV infested, criminal body". He can rot in hell as far as I care.

Would love to see him encounter some real "black criminals" in a Jail. He would barely make it out the first day.

Sitting in the safety of his bedroom posting this stuff he probably felt very safe and justified. Now... not so much.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by lostalex

hmm, yet you are still just as if not more racist in Europe, so obviously criminalizing words does nothing to stop racism.

Originally Posted by lostalex

i never said any nationality was more racist.

Insinuating that it's likely that we European's are more racist.

[lostalex]

I bet these same people justifying criminal action for this guy posting in his dark bedroom, are the same people that defend Gary Mckinnon, and other UK internet users that are being extradited to the US...

hmmm, interesting hipocrisy.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc

Insinuating that it's likely that we European's are more racist.

ummm no, i said just as, if not more.

do you think Europeans are any less racist than Americans?

I said JUST AS if not more.

Please don't play stupid semantics games, it's tedious.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I bet these same people justifying criminal action for this guy posting in his dark bedroom, are the same people that defend Gary Mckinnon, and other UK internet users that are being extradited to the US...

hmmm, interesting hipocrisy.

Don't turn this thread into another America V's Europe/UK ordeal Alex

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I bet these same people justifying criminal action for this guy posting in his dark bedroom, are the same people that defend Gary Mckinnon, and other UK internet users that are being extradited to the US...

hmmm, interesting hipocrisy.

Supposition.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by lostalex

what a lovely and enlightened response. nice to see that you are taking the high ground.

Why should I?


Racism is bad enough, but to then make racist jokes over someone who has possibly died doing his job and entertaining millions is another level...throw in the fact he decided to bring up his mother aswell who would have watched her son struggle to breathe and remain alive on her T.V the day before Mothers Day and I have every reason to wish the person the very worse in his future life.