[Jords]

Im well behind the teacher striking /student

[Kazanne]

I find it really annoying that teachers can strike without permission!! they penalise parents for taking kids out of school for holidays etc, but they can strike and leave the kids without education for their own benefit,selfish imo.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I find it really annoying that teachers can strike without permission!! they penalise parents for taking kids out of school for holidays etc, but they can strike and leave the kids without education for their own benefit,selfish imo.

Good point, I can see all sides on this argument and one of my Cousins is a teacher,even she would say a strike,certainly of a days duration won't make any difference really.

Along with other professions..Teachers are seeing their pension plans hit and that's sad and also may even not be the wisest or right path to go down for the Govt,
Having said that, we all knew no real good economic news was coming for the next few years and I don't see what the professions see as the Govts alternative overall.The Govt has had to make some hard and very necessary economic decisions to protect everyone not just a few.

If the Teachers and Teaching Unions have better ideas and plans themselves then publicise them and keep doing so,the public would be far more likely to get behind them in that scenario than if they went on strike.

Strikes inconvenience everyone,especially from the teaching profession, it should be a valued profession by the Nation but it will do itself no good at all by striking and I cannot see this Govt altering course on this one either,not without a cast iron better plan that would work on the table anyway.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good point, I can see all sides on this argument and one of my Cousins is a teacher,even she would say a strike,certainly of a days duration won't make any difference really.

Along with other professions..Teachers are seeing their pension plans hit and that's sad and also may even not be the wisest or right path to go down for the Govt,
Having said that, we all knew no real good economic news was coming for the next few years and I don't see what the professions see as the Govts alternative overall.The Govt has had to make some hard and very necessary economic decisions to protect everyone not just a few.

If the Teachers and Teaching Unions have better ideas and plans themselves then publicise them and keep doing so,the public would be far more likely to get behind them in that scenario than if they went on strike.

Strikes inconvenience everyone,especially from the teaching profession, it should be a valued profession by the Nation but it will do itself no good at all by striking and I cannot see this Govt altering course on this one either,not without a cast iron better plan that would work on the table anyway.

Totally agree Joey,in these times all of us have to pull together,teachers are valuable,but so are lots of other professions.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Totally agree Joey,in these times all of us have to pull together,teachers are valuable,but so are lots of other professions.

Yes, not least professions such as police men, military folk - who are forbidden to strike - and who in the case of police: would have their valuable services diverted from protecting the public - to having to stand watch over picket lines. So concerned these teachers in question are that they fail to understand the knock on effect of the costs that will be involved ..... all of course, which will come out of that bottomless pit of a purse that they foolishly believe the Government has.

Idiots.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, not least professions such as police men, military folk - who are forbidden to strike - and who in the case of police: would have their valuable services diverted from protecting the public - to having to stand watch over picket lines. So concerned these teachers in question are that they fail to understand the knock on effect of the costs that will be involved ..... all of course, which will come out of that bottomless pit of a purse that they foolishly believe the Government has.

Idiots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17537254

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good point, I can see all sides on this argument and one of my Cousins is a teacher,even she would say a strike,certainly of a days duration won't make any difference really.

Along with other professions..Teachers are seeing their pension plans hit and that's sad and also may even not be the wisest or right path to go down for the Govt,
Having said that, we all knew no real good economic news was coming for the next few years and I don't see what the professions see as the Govts alternative overall.The Govt has had to make some hard and very necessary economic decisions to protect everyone not just a few.

If the Teachers and Teaching Unions have better ideas and plans themselves then publicise them and keep doing so,the public would be far more likely to get behind them in that scenario than if they went on strike.

Strikes inconvenience everyone,especially from the teaching profession, it should be a valued profession by the Nation but it will do itself no good at all by striking and I cannot see this Govt altering course on this one either,not without a cast iron better plan that would work on the table anyway.

The part that gets me Joey is these are the very people who are teaching our children - yet seem unable to grasp and comprehend the simple fact that their government pension contributions are funded by the tax payer - which includes all of us 'non teaching staff' !!!

So single minded are they in their selfish greed for pension plans & contributions that vast amounts of people do not receive the same pension benefits - that they don't realise it's those same people who are paying for their contributions - but they are happy enough to put them all to great inconvenience. It's a joke!

That's the scary part....and these are the folk teaching the nations children. If they cannot grasp that the goverment does not have money trees and that there is a limit to what the government can do with all the monies they collect: What hope do we have!

These are the same teachers (not all of course) who allow kids to move onto secondary schools who cannot spell the most basic of words, know little regarding grammar and punctuation and often, cannot do simple arithmetic without the aid of calculators etc.

[arista]

"Strikes inconvenience everyone,especially from the teaching profession, it should be a valued profession by the Nation but it will do itself no good at all by striking and I cannot see this Govt altering course on this one either,not without a cast iron better plan that would work on the table anyway. "


Yes Joey
Kizzy is a militant

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"Strikes inconvenience everyone,especially from the teaching profession, it should be a valued profession by the Nation but it will do itself no good at all by striking and I cannot see this Govt altering course on this one either,not without a cast iron better plan that would work on the table anyway. "


Yes Joey
Kizzy is a militant

Please don't start name calling, it's rude .....

[joeysteele]

The number of MPs is going to be cut, by about 50 at the next election,so to be fair,MPs have included themselves in the streamlining process too.

As I said earlier, few people were expecting good news from the Govt as to finances for years, I agree some things may not be the best way, but sadly often there is in economics an 'only' way to go.The Govt has had to make decisions within the concept of the whole picture for everyone in the UK not just a little snapshot of part of it.

Teachers are not the only people affected, it would be great if no one had to be but this Govt does have a massive problem as to finances, it can be sorted but it will take some sacrifices from everyone, Teachers included.
Sadly for Teachers and the UK as a whole, strikes will create bad feeling and do the Teachers little good at all.
Not to mention the effect repeated strikes could have on children too as to their education.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The number of MPs is going to be cut, by about 50 at the next election,so to be fair,MPs have included themselves in the streamlining process too.

As I said earlier, few reasonable people were expecting good news from the Govt as to finances for years, I agree some things may not be the best way, but sadly often there is in economics an 'only' way to go.The Govt has had to make decisions within the concept of the whole picture for everyone in the UK not just a little snapshot of part of it.

Teachers are not the only people affected, it would be great if no one had to be but this Govt does have a massive problem as to finances, it can be sorted but it will take some sacrifices from everyone, Teachers included.
Sadly for Teachers and the UK as a whole, strikes will create bad feeling and do the Teachers little good at all.
Not to mention the effect repeated strikes could have on children too as to their education.

The elusive points that seems to be getting completely lost in transit - but so good that I wanted to highlight them.

I feel like I'm falling into the twilight zone here!

[Kazanne]

Cheeky bleeders,what other proffession get so many paid holidays,plus free pencils,paper etc,LOL

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Cheeky bleeders,what other proffession get so many paid holidays,plus free pencils,paper etc,LOL

The bastards get hunners of these for free.... too. AND in different colours.

It's a bloody disgrace ah tell ya.... a bloody disgrace.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The bastards get hunners of these for free.... too. AND in different colours.

It's a bloody disgrace ah tell ya.... a bloody disgrace.

just think of all the voluntary work they could be doing in those LONG summer hols!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

just think of all the voluntary work they could be doing in those LONG summer hols!

And they get these as well.



and paints, crayons, colouring pens... I needed all of these things for my easter egg this morning.

[Pyramid*]

Yeah..... I spend some of my free time doing voluntary work for kids - and I hate the wee sods!!

[thesheriff443]

whats your stand in, a card board cut out,
your just gloating with your last comments,

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

whats your stand in, a card board cut out,
your just gloating with your last comments,

Gloating? You don't appear to know the meaning of the word.

It was called clarification which is something entirely different. If a teacher is off - a relief teacher fills in. That doesn't happen for my position - which was very clear.

Apart from which, given that your first post here on this thread, has in fact not entered into the debate or offered up your views on the actual topic that has been taking place - tells me that you may have posted more to sh*t stir than to actually take part in the debate. I could be very wrong, but I doubt it.

[Kizzy]

What type of contract of employment do you have?...sounds well dodgy to me haha
I did not say you were dodgy did I?...Not sure why you found that rude.

Telling another person that they in dodgy employment is rude and offensive.
I didn't tell you anything though...don't misquote me.

That was a long time ago...
It is a long time since you were at school.Its a long time since I was at school ...I mentioned that too.

I happen to have studied when I was in my 20's, and into my 30's. With a a shorter study period in my 40's. You don't have to have to reflect on standards 30 years or so ago - learning doesn't stop for all after secondary school. It was a smart arse comment.
It was not...It is your choice to take it as such that was not the intention of the post

Do you work in the public sector?...Im guessing no.
Asking a question is not rude....

No it is not .... not allowing the person to answer, but chosing instead to be rudely presumptious - is rude, patronising and supercillious. You will not that YOU however have flatly refused to answer the same question posed to you (minus the sacarsm)
I allowed you to answer.... I had a guess as to the reply is all, its not rude

Why do people think teachers dont work in holiday times....haha its ridiculous
Making a statement is not rude.

You made no statement - you made a comment / preposed question - and one that again you do not allow the person to answer - instead - you very wrongly make an incorrect assumption and chose to mock them instead.
My statement was not aimed at anyone...you cannot mock someone who does not exist

Trying to discredit teachers by suggesting you could do a better job is ridiculous
Having an opinion is not rude.

No it is not. Misquoting and failing to quote what another person actually said - and twisting in around is however in an poor attempt to mock them however, is sanctimonous.
Sanctimonious....thats a new one,It was my opinion and not an attempted mocking.

If that is how you feel about those in public service in the UK today I feel very sorry for you. And I feel you are very out of touch in your responses
Again just my view..

No it is not. It's a personal snipe. If I had to say: I feel sorry for you because your posting style follows a pattern of repetitveness, is very restricted - and that I feel you too are out of touch on how to socially interract - that isn't just a view: would be offensive.
If you feel I have been rude, why respond with insults?...It makes no sense.

you might have a better view if you got off that tall horse....
I apologised for this comment once. I don't feel i need to again.

I didn't ask for another apology. You asked me for examples. I'm provided them to you so don't ask a question and then complain when you don't like the answer.
Ok

And with respect it takes a lot more than a paper qualification to be a teacher.
Another fact. Not in the slightest rude.

Actually it doesn't take more than paper qualifications in the true sense. That comment was on the back of a dig because I advised you that my qualifications allow me to teach. It was again sarcastically designed to be patronising.
Not at all, I stand by that comment...If you choose to take it out of the context it was intended I can not be held responsible

Have you spoken to any teachers regarding this drop in wages?....Im guessing no.

I find it hard to believe any teacher would welcome this, or agree with your view to be fair. Yet you say you have so I stand corrected...

Once again - you ask a question - don't allow the person to respond, instead opting to jump in there with sarcastic reply made by yourself... which was (for the umpeenth time that you've done it) - a very wrong assumption to make.
I allowed you to respond...I guessed at the reply, no sarcasm was intended

I don't think you have the first clue about teaching judging by this comment...
Another personal opinion, based on your reactions to my comments.

Rude and patronising. You once again jumped in with both feet and make so many wrong assumptions, proven by the last point above.
It is my opinion based on your posts, It is not an assumption, if you find views that don't agree with yours rude and patronising that is your issue not mine.


I am well aware of where the money comes from, please don't patronise me.
From what I can see this Is my reaction to your rudeness...

Given that you were asked time and time again on this particular matter of funding - and you blatantly ignored the questions (like all the others you were asked) - If you had simply answered (which by the way, you still haven't with any real effect), having to readdress the same question to you time and time again to no availl: shows that I believe you don't have a true picture overall.
Is this you trying to excuse your rudeness by suggesting you were exaperated by my continual evasion of your questioning?
I am not on trial and am not bound by law to answer your questioning...
It is astounding how you exhibit such double standards.... It seems you are quick to point fingers at the alleged rudness of others but not acknowledge your own.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What type of contract of employment do you have?...sounds well dodgy to me haha
I did not say you were dodgy did I?...Not sure why you found that rude.

Telling another person that they in dodgy employment is rude and offensive.
I didn't tell you anything though...don't misquote me.

That was a long time ago...
It is a long time since you were at school.Its a long time since I was at school ...I mentioned that too.

I happen to have studied when I was in my 20's, and into my 30's. With a a shorter study period in my 40's. You don't have to have to reflect on standards 30 years or so ago - learning doesn't stop for all after secondary school. It was a smart arse comment.
It was not...It is your choice to take it as such that was not the intention of the post

Do you work in the public sector?...Im guessing no.
Asking a question is not rude....

No it is not .... not allowing the person to answer, but chosing instead to be rudely presumptious - is rude, patronising and supercillious. You will not that YOU however have flatly refused to answer the same question posed to you (minus the sacarsm)
I allowed you to answer.... I had a guess as to the reply is all, its not rude

Why do people think teachers dont work in holiday times....haha its ridiculous
Making a statement is not rude.

You made no statement - you made a comment / preposed question - and one that again you do not allow the person to answer - instead - you very wrongly make an incorrect assumption and chose to mock them instead.
My statement was not aimed at anyone...you cannot mock someone who does not exist

Trying to discredit teachers by suggesting you could do a better job is ridiculous
Having an opinion is not rude.

No it is not. Misquoting and failing to quote what another person actually said - and twisting in around is however in an poor attempt to mock them however, is sanctimonous.
Sanctimonious....thats a new one,It was my opinion and not an attempted mocking.

If that is how you feel about those in public service in the UK today I feel very sorry for you. And I feel you are very out of touch in your responses
Again just my view..

No it is not. It's a personal snipe. If I had to say: I feel sorry for you because your posting style follows a pattern of repetitveness, is very restricted - and that I feel you too are out of touch on how to socially interract - that isn't just a view: would be offensive.
If you feel I have been rude, why respond with insults?...It makes no sense.

you might have a better view if you got off that tall horse....
I apologised for this comment once. I don't feel i need to again.

I didn't ask for another apology. You asked me for examples. I'm provided them to you so don't ask a question and then complain when you don't like the answer.
Ok

And with respect it takes a lot more than a paper qualification to be a teacher.
Another fact. Not in the slightest rude.

Actually it doesn't take more than paper qualifications in the true sense. That comment was on the back of a dig because I advised you that my qualifications allow me to teach. It was again sarcastically designed to be patronising.
Not at all, I stand by that comment...If you choose to take it out of the context it was intended I can not be held responsible

Have you spoken to any teachers regarding this drop in wages?....Im guessing no.

I find it hard to believe any teacher would welcome this, or agree with your view to be fair. Yet you say you have so I stand corrected...

Once again - you ask a question - don't allow the person to respond, instead opting to jump in there with sarcastic reply made by yourself... which was (for the umpeenth time that you've done it) - a very wrong assumption to make.
I allowed you to respond...I guessed at the reply, no sarcasm was intended

I don't think you have the first clue about teaching judging by this comment...
Another personal opinion, based on your reactions to my comments.

Rude and patronising. You once again jumped in with both feet and make so many wrong assumptions, proven by the last point above.
It is my opinion based on your posts, It is not an assumption, if you find views that don't agree with yours rude and patronising that is your issue not mine.


I am well aware of where the money comes from, please don't patronise me.
From what I can see this Is my reaction to your rudeness...

Given that you were asked time and time again on this particular matter of funding - and you blatantly ignored the questions (like all the others you were asked) - If you had simply answered (which by the way, you still haven't with any real effect), having to readdress the same question to you time and time again to no availl: shows that I believe you don't have a true picture overall.
Is this you trying to excuse your rudeness by suggesting you were exaperated by my continual evasion of your questioning?
I am not on trial and am not bound by law to answer your questioning...
It is astounding how you exhibit such double standards.... It seems you are quick to point fingers at the alleged rudness of others but not acknowledge your own.

No you aren't in any court of Law - and neither am I. I do however (unlike you) enter into debates to discuss the subject fully - not to evade the same type of questions that you asked others, who replied, but that you then yourself - which by your own confirmation - continually evaded to answer. That is not healthy discussion. If you feel it is: then perhaps you need to consider what that concept actually means.

Don't expect a reply any further response from me on this matter.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No you aren't in any court of Law - and neither am I. I do however (unlike you) enter into debates to discuss the subject fully - not to evade the same type of questions that you asked others, who replied, but that you then yourself - which by your own confirmation - continually evaded to answer. That is not healthy discussion. If you feel it is: then perhaps you need to consider what that concept actually means.

Don't expect a reply any further response from me on this matter.

Ok...I was referring to your requests as to my employment status and if I were working within the public service in that post btw
What I do, and in what capacity has no baring on my view on this important social issue.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Ok...I was referring to your requests as to my employment status and if I were working within the public service in that post btw
What I do, and in what capacity has no baring on my view on this important social issue.

Okay I'll bite, but for good reason.

When someone asks what line of work a person is in: that includes past, present or intended future - which was what was asked of you. My past line of work allows me the experience upon which to offer up my views on the public sector workers for instance: despite my now working in the private sector. That therefore afford me great bearing on how my view is affected on this subject matter - so to the contrary - it IS extremely important to how it shapes a person outlook,views, thoughts and ideass

That, along with many other questions in respect of diversion of funds, who did you vote for if you have such disdain for all MPs etc - not one of those questions did you reply to but were happy to mock the content of the replies from myself and others.

If what YOU do for a living has no bearing: then why were YOU so adamant to repeatedly ask others what area of business they worked in? Double standards there from you Kizzy & in no small amount either

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Okay I'll bite, but for good reason.

When someone asks what line of work a person is in: that includes past, present or intended future - which was what was asked of you. My past line of work allows me the experience upon which to offer up my views on the public sector workers for instance: despite my now working in the private sector. That therefore afford me great bearing on how my view is affected on this subject matter - so to the contrary - it IS extremely important to how it shapes a person outlook,views, thoughts and ideass

That, along with many other questions in respect of diversion of funds, who did you vote for if you have such disdain for all MPs etc - not one of those questions did you reply to but were happy to mock the content of the replies from myself and others.

If what YOU do for a living has no bearing: then why were YOU so adamant to repeatedly ask others what area of business they worked in? Double standards there from you Kizzy & in no small amount either

You had the choice to respond to me...I did not have a gun to your head.
What I do or have done is no concern of yours.
It may shape my view on this topic, I do not have distain for all MPs!...why are you misquoting me again?....It is so rude!

[Mystic Mock]

Teachers are pathetic, especially the Primary School Teachers as I knew more stuff than them on certain subjects and I was only 10 at the time.

So how do you actually expect most students to do well when the Teachers are not that bright themselves?

[Mrluvaluva]

I am sorry but I have been reading this thread and really Kizzy you are so bloody rude in some of your answers. Not just in this thread but in others too. There's really no need.