[Redway]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wasn't having a go - I just pointed out that there's no need repeatedly telling Scott that's just his opinion when that's exactly what he said.

Repeatedly? I was responding to his post stating that he thought people were cruel who thought such people were selfish. Different people have different experiences and different beliefs. All I was saying is do not judge people for thinking as such. I don't need to be told "practice what you preach" from Scott or to "take the hint".

[MeMyselfAndI]

It's extremely selfish

[Livia]

If someone decides to end their life, it's selfish not to respect their decision.

[Ninastar]

yes and no. I think it entirely depends on the circumstance.

like for example, a year 7 in my area ended his life this week because of bullying. It sickens me that it happened to someone that young. I don't believe that he would have thought things through properly. But for someone to do something that drastic at that age, I think it just shows that it's not just a decision that you make because you're 'fed up'. I think there is so much more to it.

[BizarreCharisma]

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

yes and no. I think it entirely depends on the circumstance.

like for example, a year 7 in my area ended his life this week because of bullying. It sickens me that it happened to someone that young. I don't believe that he would have thought things through properly. But for someone to do something that drastic at that age, I think it just shows that it's not just a decision that you make because you're 'fed up'. I think there is so much more to it.

I agree. There are so many different situations that can trigger something like this and so many scenarios. I have different views on euthansia too. My replies earlier were a bit one dimensional as to how I was thinking when there are many reasons for people doing so, although I don't necessarily think it's selfish not to respect someones decision as put before. We cannot always agree with other peoples actions. They may not affect us, but other people. I do not think that is necessarily selfish either.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I agree. There are so many different situations that can trigger something like this and so many scenarios. I have different views on euthansia too. My replies earlier were a bit one dimensional as to how I was thinking when there are many reasons for people doing so, although I don't necessarily think it's selfish not to respect someones decision as put before. We cannot always agree with other peoples actions. They may not affect us, but other people. I do not think that is necessarily selfish either.

Yeah I totally agree. I don't think it's right to say someone's opinion is 'wrong'. It's something that even people who have had to deal with it themselves struggle to understand. It's not as simple as 'oh it's selfish, what about family members' in my opinion

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by BizarreCharisma

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

A very thought provoking post, really sorry to hear of the tragic way you lost your Uncle.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Yeah I totally agree. I don't think it's right to say someone's opinion is 'wrong'. It's something that even people who have had to deal with it themselves struggle to understand. It's not as simple as 'oh it's selfish, what about family members' in my opinion

It's not simple at all. And it can leave a lot of questions left unanswered. A whole lot of emotions. Anger, guilt, frustration, and sorrow to name but a few. Some questions may never be answered.

[Mystic Mock]

I think it's cowardly, but I have never felt suicidal before so im probably being harsh but that's how I see it, afterall the person is leaving someone behind 9 times out of 10.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by BizarreCharisma

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

so much

also

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah im sorry about you losing your Uncle bizzareCharisma.

[Patrick]

People say 'They should of thought of their family and friends'

No.
Maybe their family and friends should of been there for them in the first place.

Originally Posted by Scott

ok i dont think it is selfish because if a person is suffering a lot (not psychically but mentally) then they should be allowed to die

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish

[Mrluvaluva]

Great debate Scott. Your points were really interesting.

[CharlieO]

I dont think so

[fruit_cake]

It depends on who they leave behind, somebody with children seems to me to be a very selfish thing to do but then again without knowing what it's like to be them who really knows.

[Redway]

All great, mature responses on this thread and I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, BizarreCharisma. It just goes to show that nobody is in any position to call someone selfish like that.

[InOne]

No I don't think so. People have the right to do what they want with their lives. If they have got to a point where they want to kill themselves then they've obviously explored avenues and there must be something seriously wrong.

[Kizzy]

I remember a thread like this....It was closed.
Unless you choose to throw yourself into incoming traffic risking others then no.

[thesheriff443]

its a two way street tell someone who is going to die from cancer at a young age and they would say you are selfish
dyeing is easy its living thats hard!
if you take your own life beacuse you are in debt and you cant face telling your wife and kids then you are a selfish bastard

wise words for any one

when you have tryed everything the last thing you try is again!

[Tom4784]

I go back and forth on this issue, it depends on the circumstances. If there's a terminal illness involved then I sympathise but if it's not for health reasons and you have family and friends that love you then I think it's definitely a little selfish since you're just passing your pain and anguish onto the people you care about. If you don't feel as though you can't live for yourself then at least live for the people that love you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

No I don't think so. People have the right to do what they want with their lives. If they have got to a point where they want to kill themselves then they've obviously explored avenues and there must be something seriously wrong.

Yes but its Fecking Selfish
to stand in Front of Train
And Women driver will be off work for a month.
The Whole rail stops
while a team clean up the bloody mess.



That Stinks



They should go to a Cliff and jump.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but its Fecking Selfish
to stand in Front of Train
And Women driver will be off work for a month.
The Whole rail stops
while a team clean up the bloody mess.



That Stinks



They should go to a Cliff and jump.

Can the woman not handle it?