[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Exactly. We need to sort out our own country first.

exactly charity begins at home
once you get your own house in order then you can help others
the UK owes in total debt private and public
£9 TRILLION

our debts are worse per head than almost every nation on earth, far far far worse than america, only ireland and 3 or 4 others have a worse debt per head than us

In total we oew £144,000 each and that includes all babies born and all 100 year olds too

to repeat the UK owes £9 TRILLION

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[Mystic Mock]

If that's true The Truth then that is a disgrace, but tbf Labour started all that off didn't they?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

If that's true The Truth then that is a disgrace, but tbf Labour started all that off didn't they?

no, they did not trigger a global worldwide recession regardless of all the tory spin.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kizzy

no, they did not trigger a global worldwide recession regardless of all the tory spin.

Ok thanks, my mistake.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I 100% agree with you Joey, I will be shocked and disgusted if the public vote the Tories back in power at the next election.

They won't, I feel really able to predict that now,the blocking of the boundary changes itself will make it near impossible for them to get an overall majority and will help the Lib Dems hold seats the Conservatives would need.

I cannot see a thing they can do to sweeten the blows that are going to come from mid to late next year to a large number of peoples lives.
They would need to abandon most of the extreme elements of the policies against the diisabled and sitting tenants in social housing.
They will not do that.

With the Lib Dems as part of the coalition, there has only been one opposition voice against the policies being enacted since 2010.

By the end of 2014, so many people will have had their lives disrupted and near ruined by these policies and the disabled and their groups likely up in arms having to fight with costly appeals, to get back benefits and rights too which will be seen as wrongly removed from them, that by May 2015 when the next election has to be,this coalition will be likely as hated as much,if not moreso, as the last Labour Govt was in its final year or so.

That is all I can see happening now really.

[Kizzy]

I see it called waaay before then tbh...
Look at the reshuffle, what is he trying to do.. cause maximum destruction of society and the welfare state before he is ousted?..
Thank god for clegg and Ian duncan smith, clegg has his detractors but effing hell what would the country be like now without him?..
We would have had the workhouses reinstated! haha

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

no, they did not trigger a global worldwide recession regardless of all the tory spin.

a combination of both. truth is the UK economy has been ridiculously out of balance since the 1970s. total boom and bust economy. the vast swathes of unemployed working class people on benefits grew as a result of this destruction of the working class communities.

The fact thatcher killed off 1.3 million miners and shut down virtually every single coal pit with 1000 years+ of the worlds best coal left behind sums up how idiotic and spiteful she was. she couldnt even come to a compromise deal to keep open a few dozen of the best most economic pits. that was the obvious logical common sense way forward. concentrate your resources in fewer but better pits. the shafts needed rebuilding, deeper and wider and safer. the technology was always going to improve finding rich coal seams, which it now does. she didnt look long term, she didnt even look beyond her own ego. in the end thatcher oversaw the decimination of all industry, steel, copper, tin, slate, lime , coal etc etc

they broke up the steel works deliberately , stole their ideas and inventions, bankrupted them, then reset up the same company abroad with different company names and pretty much paying slave wages.

thats the tories, thats the story you wont hear on the bbc news? why?
The whole milk snatcher story was her sick way of proving to people, there was no such thing as society. lovely. then her son became an arms dealer

thatcher did nowt for small businesses either. she is the person who enslaved us to the dreadful vat, a tax that ensures the little man cannot becoe the big man. vat only helps massive companies. anyone who tells you otherwise hasnt got a clue.

[Kizzy]

I agree about the industries, coal mining was also outsourced but now its costing too much to import the stuff....watch the pits open up again.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I agree about the industries, coal mining was also outsourced but now its costing too much to import the stuff....watch the pits open up again.

Not a viable option really, at the moment, too dangerous and too costly.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Not a viable option really, at the moment, too dangerous and too costly.

And we have employment and health and safety measures that the countries who currently supply us don't have don't forget.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by the truth

a combination of both. truth is the UK economy has been ridiculously out of balance since the 1970s. total boom and bust economy. the vast swathes of unemployed working class people on benefits grew as a result of this destruction of the working class communities.

The fact thatcher killed off 1.3 million miners and shut down virtually every single coal pit with 1000 years+ of the worlds best coal left behind sums up how idiotic and spiteful she was. she couldnt even come to a compromise deal to keep open a few dozen of the best most economic pits. that was the obvious logical common sense way forward. concentrate your resources in fewer but better pits. the shafts needed rebuilding, deeper and wider and safer. the technology was always going to improve finding rich coal seams, which it now does. she didnt look long term, she didnt even look beyond her own ego. in the end thatcher oversaw the decimination of all industry, steel, copper, tin, slate, lime , coal etc etc

they broke up the steel works deliberately , stole their ideas and inventions, bankrupted them, then reset up the same company abroad with different company names and pretty much paying slave wages.

thats the tories, thats the story you wont hear on the bbc news? why?
The whole milk snatcher story was her sick way of proving to people, there was no such thing as society. lovely. then her son became an arms dealer

thatcher did nowt for small businesses either. she is the person who enslaved us to the dreadful vat, a tax that ensures the little man cannot becoe the big man. vat only helps massive companies. anyone who tells you otherwise hasnt got a clue.

What a load of garbage.

VAT was introduced by a tory government yes thats true but not by Thatcher, try the 1970-1974 Ted Heath government as a starting point. ( Vat replaced Purchase Tax)

As for the Tories being to solely to blame for the increase in unemployment go have a look at the rise in unemployment under Labour governments. It was a result of policies by both governments, overspending in the worng areas and lack of investment by both Tories and Labour.

[Mystic Mock]

Both Tories and Labour stink, we need a new party that is middle of the road in it's policies (or has a wing at least as the Tories and Labour just bitch at each other with no policies and slowly killing this country off) and we also need a party that is actually good at law & order.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Both Tories and Labour stink, we need a new party that is middle of the road in it's policies (or has a wing at least as the Tories and Labour just bitch at each other with no policies and slowly killing this country off) and we also need a party that is actually good at law & order.

Do you mean a more 'liberal' party?...haha

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-7844795.html

So the disabled are moved from DLA to JSA and now guess what, all jobseekers are to be used as slaves.
Get a job or work for your benefits.

[Mrluvaluva]

"anyone re-claiming JSA will have to complete a full placement or face a further sanction."

That is not entirely fair either. Each case should surely be considered on it's own merit? What about people who have taken temporary short term positions and now find themselves unemployed again at the end of their term through no fault of their own? A lot of these new policies are actually quite disgusting in their treatment of the unemployed, sick and disabled. The trouble is nobody looks to the long term and uses the vulnerable for a quick fix in getting figures down. This is not the answer.

[Jack_]

****ing disgusting. As one of the comments succinctly put it, 'unemployment has now become a criminal offence'. I'm appalled.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

****ing disgusting. As one of the comments succinctly put it, 'unemployment has now become a criminal offence'. I'm appalled.

Quite right we don't need to pay council employees to clean the streets of our towns and cities! we can get offenders to do it and call it 'community payback'...
Oh hang on... i've a better idea, lets get the unemployed to do it and call it the 'mandatory work activty scheme'...