[armand.kay]

Omg

[fruit_cake]

it appears to me to be that he's some sort of opportunistic attacker, a very dangerous man indeed.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure.

But the mother may have thought being in a store was safe.

I think Kizzy could do a public information film
or Direct it.

I'm quite sure she did...I'm also taking into account that she could have had a full trolley's worth of shopping and the choice was let the lad nip to the loo and her wait to keep her eye on the shopping etc..... it doesn't change my opinion though: at 4 years of age, the lad could have slipped off the toilet seat and battered his head, he could have got himself locked in the cubicle, he could have had difficulty wiping his bum for all I know...... far less this horrible situation arising.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, I did. You guessed wrong. Your first post explained that you were 'sooooo paranoid' ., without the further detail being necessary; it doesn't change my thoughts on the matter though.

Stop inferring I contradicted myself then...
I was paranoid in those situations, this does not mean everyone should be.
It was due to my past experience alone.

[fruit_cake]

with respect to what Pyr says, I think it's normal to be paranoid in that kind of situation Kiz I know I am. To me the fear of something happening it just too much to take even a risk like that

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Stop inferring I contradicted myself then...
I was paranoid in those situations, this does not mean everyone should be.
It was due to my past experience alone.

It sounded as though you changed stance, that's what it reads like, and that's why I mentioned the change. You are correct, not everyone should be so paranoid: I don't happen to believe you were - I understand why you were.

It doesn't alter the fact that I believe your actions (regardless of the reasons why) were correct - and I'd far rather a mother being overly careful than not.

[Marc]

Uhhh how terrifying.

How can anybody be so sick

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

with respect to what Pyr says, I think it's normal to be paranoid in that kind of situation Kiz I know I am. To me the fear of something happening it just too much to take even a risk like that

Given the sick world we live in, where we hear of this type of thing far too often: I couldn't agree more.

It's disgraceful that it is the society we live in - that's as sickening as this story is.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Given the sick world we live in, where we hear of this type of thing far too often: I couldn't agree more.

It's disgraceful that it is the society we live in - that's as sickening as this story is.

slightly of topic I accept but I wonder, hasn't it always been the case though? I know in Spain for example Paedo's are rife, the difference being that in the UK we are more aware of it. I often wonder just how common it was back in the 40s 50s 60s etc. I know my mum and dad have occasionally mentioned the strange looking men who used to sit on park benches offering sweets and the likes. My mum often mentioned the way she just knew not to take anything or even go near them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*;5499701[B

]It sounded as though you changed stance, that's what it reads like,[/B] and that's why I mentioned the change. You are correct, not everyone should be so paranoid: I don't happen to believe you were - I understand why you were.

It doesn't alter the fact that I believe your actions (regardless of the reasons why) were correct - and I'd far rather a mother being overly careful than not.

What the hell are you blabbering on about woman?

No it does not, you got the wrong end of the stick and started to beat your own brain in with it as per usual.

[Marc]

Why does every thread have to turn into some battle ground for undermining people and trying to nit pick people's posts about how they're wrong etc.

I mean I would understand it and fully expect it when the posts are actually about the story, but not when members are just trying to p*ss others off by trying to prove somebody else wrong about the way they have typed something.

Seriously ladies, please give it a rest.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

slightly of topic I accept but I wonder, hasn't it always been the case though? I know in Spain for example Paedo's are rife, the difference being that in the UK we are more aware of it. I often wonder just how common it was back in the 40s 50s 60s etc. I know my mum and dad have occasionally mentioned the strange looking men who used to sit on park benches offering sweets and the likes. My mum often mentioned the way she just knew not to take anything or even go near them.

I've had this discussion many times with friends....in that it's just more spoken about now, we are more open, but I'm not entirely convinced. There always have been bad people about, and I recall all the adverts on telly when I was a kid warning not to go into cars, take sweets, go away with strangers - but that seems to not be hammered home enough these days?

Years ago: when this type of thing happened, punishment was far stricter - even as to 'mob mentality' as well as the police metting out their own unofficial punishment..... I do wonder if the soft approach now given, with all the emphasis on 'rehabilitation' etc - is the reason there is more of it - because the deterrents aren't enough ...?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What the hell are you blabbering on about woman?

No it does not, you got the wrong end of the stick and started to beat your own brain in with it as per usual.

No need for insults Kizzy. You made an incorrect assumption on what I read. That however didn't alter the fact that I happened to agree with you that your method of dealing with your own child re needing to use public toilets was correct. I don't believe you were paranoid - you chose those words, I understand why - I simply happen to believe that regardless: you did the right thing.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Absolutely terrifying this..... My boy is only 2 and I worry about what kind of a world I have brought him into. Recently 2guys attacked a 14 year old boy in Manchester in a toilet too. Too many evil b*******in the world... They should give the family 5 minutes with him when they catch him....doubt he would be able to do anything to anyone ever again after that

[ChristmasNeeve]

Pyramid can you two just ignore eachothers comments from now on. Every thread in the serious Debates section is starting to feel like a broken record between you two.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Pyramid can you two just ignore eachothers comments from now on. Every thread in the serious Debates section is starting to feel like a broken record between you two.

why the hell is this directed at ME. Or is that just the easy option......?

I bloody well agree that Kizzy did the right thing - and still I get it in the neck. I don't insult but I'm the one this is predominately directed at.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

why the hell is this directed at ME. Or is that just the easy option......?

I bloody well agree that Kizzy did the right thing - and still I get it in the neck. I don't insult but I'm the one this is predominately directed at.

I meant to say Pyramid and KIzzy

[arista]

Thats Fair enough.


Not 1

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[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I meant to say Pyramid and KIzzy

Fair does.

I meant to watch the local news tonight to see what the recent update was ....and forgot.

[armand.kay]

This is so terrible why would you do this to a 4 year old

[Mrluvaluva]

This is just terrible. Only a few weeks ago I read about the young boy sexually assaulted in Debenhams in Manchester. This week I read about a 13 year old boy raped in Oldham shopping centre. Now this poor 4 year old. These people need locking up and the key thrown away. Sick, horrible people in this world that it could do without.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

This is just terrible. Only a few weeks ago I read about the young boy sexually assaulted in Debenhams in Manchester. This week I read about a 13 year old boy raped in Oldham shopping centre. Now this poor 4 year old. These people need locking up and the key thrown away. Sick, horrible people in this world that it could do without.

My thoughts too, and to hell with the ''give them treatment, they need to be rehabilitated'' believers: I very much doubt they'd feel that way if one of their own had suffered.

[joeysteele]

My parents would have never let me use a public toilet alone when I was 4.

She should have taken him to the Ladies,I would have thought the golden rule of parenting should be, never let a child that young out of your sight unless you know who they are with.

This is an awful experience for this lad to have gone through and unsavoury people can be anywhere these days.
Asda generally have security people near the entrances to their stores,I am sure they could have arranged for someone to have taken him into the toilet for her even and made sure he was 100% safe.

I hope they get who was responsible,a really despicable act.Some really awful person to do this to a 4 year old.

[Munchkins]

What an awful story, just disgusting
hope they find the bastard who did this

[Me. I Am Salman]

I would never let a 4 year old kid loose in a public toilet, not just for the risk of paedos but what if it like falls in the toilet or something :/

When I was 4 my mum would take me to the women's toilet if it was just us two out