[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Reprehensible speculation, innuendo and hearsay with absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever. It makes me laugh at the choice of photographs on these ridiculous websites. They have obviously searched hundreds of images and chosen those that make the McCanns look like villains. That’s the very first thing that makes me question the validity of these sites.

I hope one day that the truth does come out, and if it turns out that the McCanns are innocent as I suspect them to be (just an opinion, I’m not going to pretend to be privy to any kind of information that others apparently claim to be in possession of in order to support my own view) I hope the people who created the websites quoted on here are prosecuted for libel with the full force of the law.

people are fully entitled to question, not to accuse but definitely to question. also theyre of course guilty of neglect at the very least

[InOne]

People only remember Maddie when her parents push her into the news once again

Maddie is also an anagram for I'm Dead

[the truth]

Ive read those 48 questions she avoided all of them , then only answered this one

A Question She Did Answer


- Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardizing the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?


- “Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.”

so she in effect obstructed the search for madelaine? that is horrifying

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

MASSIVE paedo ring, with TOP people in suits involved,the UK press has been biased towards McCanns from day one, take time to read the files,you will be shocked

I'm not a great believer in conspiracies but there has always been something that doesn't feel right with this case. if what you allege comes out then I for one would be shocked to my core, sadly though if the cover up goes up to that level then there is no realistic chance the truth will ever come out...!!!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I'm not a great believer in conspiracies but there has always been something that doesn't feel right with this case. if what you allege comes out then I for one would be shocked to my core, sadly though if the cover up goes up to that level then there is no realistic chance the truth will ever come out...!!!

saying youre not a big believer in conspiracies is a statement with no meaning
if you mean you dont question the official statements given about a case or a subject, that makes sense. otherwise it doesnt make any sense at all. is any opinion that even asks questions about the official verdicts automatically a conspiracy theory? take hillsborough, it was right to ask questions and in the end it was right to have opinions on major corruption at work.


many official statements have more holes than the wookey hole, they usually send up a posh sounding sergeants with a bag jaw and huge adams apple to sound all intense and meaningful, when it may be utter mumbo jumbo

if the world of politics and media has taught us anyhting, it is simply this, question absoilutely everything

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That being said (and I hope they had nothing to do with it, that thought is just horrific) The fact that they would leave 3 very young kids home alone while they went out for a meal (and don't forget the twins were a year youger again than Madeline) is strange and irresponsible to say the least. Children that young are extremely likely to wake during the night and far too young to be alone, day or night.

I agree with your sentiment but the truth is thousands of parents in that exact situation with them sitting only a hundred yards away and going back to check every 30 mins or so, would have done exactly the same without there ever being an issue.All 3 children would probably be sound asleep by that time (once they were settled).

Something untoward, unplanned and with devastating consequences occured that night , the McCanns may know more than they are letting on but we are no closer to the truth after years of investigating...!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree with your sentiment but the truth is thousands of parents in that exact situation with them sitting only a hundred yards away and going back to check every 30 mins or so, would have done exactly the same without there ever being an issue.All 3 children would probably be sound asleep by that time (once they were settled).

Something untoward, unplanned and with devastating consequences occured that night , the McCanns may know more than they are letting on but we are no closer to the truth after years of investigating...!!!

They went to a restaurant though, doesn't matter how close it was to the apartment. I personally don't know any parents who would leave two 3 year olds and a four year old alone at night and go to a restaurant.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They went to a restaurant though, doesn't matter how close it was to the apartment. I personally don't know any parents who would leave two 3 year olds and a four year old alone at night and go to a restaurant.

You are right but as I said a large number of parents in that type of quiet holiday setting would take a chance on an action like this.

However reading some of the other posts on this thread there were possibly evil plans already in place that night which would have been realised regardless of the parents decision to sit out in the open air restaurant.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You are right but as I said a large number of parents in that type of quiet holiday setting would take a chance on an action like this.

However reading some of the other posts on this thread there were possibly evil plans already in place that night which would have been realised regardless of the parents decision to sit out in the open air restaurant.

Maybe so, that doesn't make it alright or responsible though. Most families with children that young, take them out to eat with them

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They went to a restaurant though, doesn't matter how close it was to the apartment. I personally don't know any parents who would leave two 3 year olds and a four year old alone at night and go to a restaurant.

It was just unlucky. Not to drop my parents in it or anything, but I do remember one occasion where they left my younger brother and I in their hotel room while they went down to the restaurant to celebrate my mum's 40th birthday - we were put to bed and that was that. I don't know if that's something I would ever do if I had children, because I don't know what I'd be like as a parent - but obviously they were happy enough in the knowledge that we were safely locked away and weren't going to come to any harm. We would have been about 6 and 3 respectively? So I was a little bit older than Madeleine was, but my brother was a similar age. We're both obviously alive and well today and no worse off for the experience, and I only remember it whenever I think about this case because it's so similar.

I don't believe they are hiding any kind of information, I think they are just being lambasted for not playing up to the British expectations of what a victim of crime should be like. We like to support the underdog in this country in pretty much every emotional aspect. Emotional appeals to the public really hype up our views on certain subjects. Compare the disappearance of Holly and Jessica in Soham to this case. The parents were in floods of tears giving interviews and the public really rallied behind them. It's normal to suspect the immediate family because most murder victims tend to know their murderers - but due to the international media coverage of the McCanns, they were being analysed tenfold. People particularly homed in on Kate McCann, saying she wasn't showing enough emotion. How dare anyone tell a woman whose little girl has gone missing how she should and shouldn't conduct herself? People deal with trauma in different ways. I have a friend whose brother was tragically killed a couple of years ago - she never once cried in front of any of her friends about what happened, and she told me that she just felt empty and that she didn't even really feel like she understood what had happened. In other words, she didn't immediately break down and cry over what had happened, she dealt with it in her own way. I think it's tragic that people are convinced that she murdered her own child and has been covering it up just because she didn't show the 'right' amount of emotion. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty any more than the next person, but I do know that that is entirely what this notion is based on. Her perceived lack of emotion. I just think it's really, really unfair. My heart has always gone out to them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You are right but as I said a large number of parents in that type of quiet holiday setting would take a chance on an action like this.

However reading some of the other posts on this thread there were possibly evil plans already in place that night which would have been realised regardless of the parents decision to sit out in the open air restaurant.

I would NEVER,EVER leave mine in any circumstances,they were too young,I certainly could not enjoy a meal,i dont know what happened to her,something does not sit right but whatever happened they played their part by leaving them,IF she was abducted they were 'lucky' they weren't all taken.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Zee

It was just unlucky. Not to drop my parents in it or anything, but I do remember one occasion where they left my younger brother and I in their hotel room while they went down to the restaurant to celebrate my mum's 40th birthday - we were put to bed and that was that. I don't know if that's something I would ever do if I had children, because I don't know what I'd be like as a parent - but obviously they were happy enough in the knowledge that we were safely locked away and weren't going to come to any harm. We would have been about 6 and 3 respectively? So I was a little bit older than Madeleine was, but my brother was a similar age. We're both obviously alive and well today and no worse off for the experience, and I only remember it whenever I think about this case because it's so similar.

I don't believe they are hiding any kind of information, I think they are just being lambasted for not playing up to the British expectations of what a victim of crime should be like. We like to support the underdog in this country in pretty much every emotional aspect. Emotional appeals to the public really hype up our views on certain subjects. Compare the disappearance of Holly and Jessica in Soham to this case. The parents were in floods of tears giving interviews and the public really rallied behind them. It's normal to suspect the immediate family because most murder victims tend to know their murderers - but due to the international media coverage of the McCanns, they were being analysed tenfold. People particularly homed in on Kate McCann, saying she wasn't showing enough emotion. How dare anyone tell a woman whose little girl has gone missing how she should and shouldn't conduct herself? People deal with trauma in different ways. I have a friend whose brother was tragically killed a couple of years ago - she never once cried in front of any of her friends about what happened, and she told me that she just felt empty and that she didn't even really feel like she understood what had happened. In other words, she didn't immediately break down and cry over what had happened, she dealt with it in her own way. I think it's tragic that people are convinced that she murdered her own child and has been covering it up just because she didn't show the 'right' amount of emotion. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty any more than the next person, but I do know that that is entirely what this notion is based on. Her perceived lack of emotion. I just think it's really, really unfair. My heart has always gone out to them.

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
the doors were open, the windows were open, the 3 children were all aged under 4 years old, in a foreign country?

unlucky is nonsense, it was mindless selfish neglect.

as for the interviews 48 unanswered questions, they didnt even look for her for 48 hours, yet rang celebrities, lawyers and the prime minister?
theyre nutjobs

[Z]

How condescending. Plenty of people leave their children in far more perilous situations and absolutely no harm comes to them. They were unlucky that for one mistake, they were punished so severely. Do you say the same thing about any other parent who has lost a child to kidnap? Yes, they made a mistake, and yes you can rake over the "they should have done this" scenarios, but the fact is that they didn't and they've been punished for it in the worst way imaginable. I think it's insensitive and more than a little unfair to call it 'mindless selfish neglect' but it's your opinion and I respect that. I'm not wrong though, you can't just write off my opinion because you disagree with it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ive read those 48 questions she avoided all of them , then only answered this one

A Question She Did Answer


- Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardizing the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?


- “Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.”

so she in effect obstructed the search for madelaine? that is horrifying

But quite happy for Maddie to make her a millionaire through the LTD Co set up in her name aptly called"No stone unturned"

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

It was just unlucky. Not to drop my parents in it or anything, but I do remember one occasion where they left my younger brother and I in their hotel room while they went down to the restaurant to celebrate my mum's 40th birthday - we were put to bed and that was that. I don't know if that's something I would ever do if I had children, because I don't know what I'd be like as a parent - but obviously they were happy enough in the knowledge that we were safely locked away and weren't going to come to any harm. We would have been about 6 and 3 respectively? So I was a little bit older than Madeleine was, but my brother was a similar age. We're both obviously alive and well today and no worse off for the experience, and I only remember it whenever I think about this case because it's so similar.

I don't believe they are hiding any kind of information, I think they are just being lambasted for not playing up to the British expectations of what a victim of crime should be like. We like to support the underdog in this country in pretty much every emotional aspect. Emotional appeals to the public really hype up our views on certain subjects. Compare the disappearance of Holly and Jessica in Soham to this case. The parents were in floods of tears giving interviews and the public really rallied behind them. It's normal to suspect the immediate family because most murder victims tend to know their murderers - but due to the international media coverage of the McCanns, they were being analysed tenfold. People particularly homed in on Kate McCann, saying she wasn't showing enough emotion. How dare anyone tell a woman whose little girl has gone missing how she should and shouldn't conduct herself? People deal with trauma in different ways. I have a friend whose brother was tragically killed a couple of years ago - she never once cried in front of any of her friends about what happened, and she told me that she just felt empty and that she didn't even really feel like she understood what had happened. In other words, she didn't immediately break down and cry over what had happened, she dealt with it in her own way. I think it's tragic that people are convinced that she murdered her own child and has been covering it up just because she didn't show the 'right' amount of emotion. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty any more than the next person, but I do know that that is entirely what this notion is based on. Her perceived lack of emotion. I just think it's really, really unfair. My heart has always gone out to them.

Total,utter rubbish, read police files available online and educate yourself, its people like YOU why McCanns still walking free and Maddie is in an unmarked grave, shame on you ,The day the took the 1st penny of pensioners money ,made them public property to question and doubt, they have made millions ( now keeps extended family) and still Cameron hands over £6000 a DAY of taxpayer money ,also making them public property, before 1p of taxpayers money Kate should have been MADE to do polygraph test, case solved

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Zee

How condescending. Plenty of people leave their children in far more perilous situations and absolutely no harm comes to them. They were unlucky that for one mistake, they were punished so severely. Do you say the same thing about any other parent who has lost a child to kidnap? Yes, they made a mistake, and yes you can rake over the "they should have done this" scenarios, but the fact is that they didn't and they've been punished for it in the worst way imaginable. I think it's insensitive and more than a little unfair to call it 'mindless selfish neglect' but it's your opinion and I respect that. I'm not wrong though, you can't just write off my opinion because you disagree with it.

I have never read anything in my life I disagree with more. absolutely dangerous drivel. its like saying a drink driver is just unlucky because this time he got caught. they left 3 children all aged under 4, alone in an unlocked room with windows open in a foreign country, for day after day after day , so they could go out drinking. its only the fact they are wealthy well connected medical professionals that they werent investigated by social services, like 99% of people would have...id have taken their 2 children off them for starters....they should have been arrested for the constant neglect for starters. let alone damaging the crime scene, failing to answer 48 plice questions, and who knows how many lies and contradictions, its estimated at 181 lies the last time I read.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I would NEVER,EVER leave mine in any circumstances,they were too young,I certainly could not enjoy a meal,i dont know what happened to her,something does not sit right but whatever happened they played their part by leaving them,IF she was abducted they were 'lucky' they weren't all taken.

Even more so in a Foreign Country, I don't know what I feel as to this case, I have discussed it with other Students.
The overall view is more is known likely by the Parents as to this, I will never understand why they didn't use the childminding service or even why both went out for the meal,it wasn't a special occasion or anything.

For me, the whole case smells rotten,I also find it odd that the other children weren't taken either.
I certainly lean more to Chuff's assessment though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

It was just unlucky. Not to drop my parents in it or anything, but I do remember one occasion where they left my younger brother and I in their hotel room while they went down to the restaurant to celebrate my mum's 40th birthday - we were put to bed and that was that. I don't know if that's something I would ever do if I had children, because I don't know what I'd be like as a parent - but obviously they were happy enough in the knowledge that we were safely locked away and weren't going to come to any harm. We would have been about 6 and 3 respectively? So I was a little bit older than Madeleine was, but my brother was a similar age. We're both obviously alive and well today and no worse off for the experience, and I only remember it whenever I think about this case because it's so similar.

I don't believe they are hiding any kind of information, I think they are just being lambasted for not playing up to the British expectations of what a victim of crime should be like. We like to support the underdog in this country in pretty much every emotional aspect. Emotional appeals to the public really hype up our views on certain subjects. Compare the disappearance of Holly and Jessica in Soham to this case. The parents were in floods of tears giving interviews and the public really rallied behind them. It's normal to suspect the immediate family because most murder victims tend to know their murderers - but due to the international media coverage of the McCanns, they were being analysed tenfold. People particularly homed in on Kate McCann, saying she wasn't showing enough emotion. How dare anyone tell a woman whose little girl has gone missing how she should and shouldn't conduct herself? People deal with trauma in different ways. I have a friend whose brother was tragically killed a couple of years ago - she never once cried in front of any of her friends about what happened, and she told me that she just felt empty and that she didn't even really feel like she understood what had happened. In other words, she didn't immediately break down and cry over what had happened, she dealt with it in her own way. I think it's tragic that people are convinced that she murdered her own child and has been covering it up just because she didn't show the 'right' amount of emotion. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty any more than the next person, but I do know that that is entirely what this notion is based on. Her perceived lack of emotion. I just think it's really, really unfair. My heart has always gone out to them.

Well, look I'm not going to comment on your situation but imo it is completely irresponsible to leave 3 children under 4 in an apartment on their own while the parents go to a restaurant. My son is 8 and he often wakes in the night after a bad dream or even just to go to the bathroom and if we weren't there when he woke up, he'd start panicking and he's 4 years older than Maddie and 5 years older then the twins.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Even more so in a Foreign Country, I don't know what I feel as to this case, I have discussed it with other Students.
The overall view is more is known likely by the Parents as to this, I will never understand why they didn't use the childminding service or even why both went out for the meal,it wasn't a special occasion or anything.

For me, the whole case smells rotten,I also find it odd that the other children weren't taken either.
I certainly lean more to Chuff's assessment though.

Everything I have said can be found in the police files online

[Nedusa]

I agree when you stand back and look at the bigger picture you do have to wonder how two parents both medical professionals one a G.P the other a Cardiologist could have left their 3 young children alone in an apartment in a foreign country while they both went out for an alcohol fuelled evening. They would have both been trained in all basic childcare protocols, they would both have known the dangers of leaving so many young children alone in those circumstances , yet they refused to use the childminding service which was available.

They could have taken turns to stay in the apartment or taken the children with them, it does seem strange that they made such a fateful decision.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree when you stand back and look at the bigger picture you do have to wonder how two parents both medical professionals one a G.P the other a Cardiologist could have left their 3 young children alone in an apartment in a foreign country while they both went out for an alcohol fuelled evening. They would have both been trained in all basic childcare protocols, they would both have known the dangers of leaving so many young children alone in those circumstances , yet they refused to use the childminding service which was available.

They could have taken turns to stay in the apartment or taken the children with them, it does seem strange that they made such a fateful decision.

with the doors unlocked and windows open? its utter lunacy? are they right in the head or what?