[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Thing is though, this video (and others like it) are freely available to watch on YT with no restrictions and it can be quite easily viewed as it is in this thread. Since starting this thread my stance has altered, I do think YT should place a warning onto things like this (like the iPlayer suggestion), I still don't have a problem with videos like this as it's what happens in nature and can be quite interesting.

I understand what you mean Uk,YouTube should get their act together regarding things like this,I agree there should be some sort of warning,I love watching wildlife programs but as soon as a 'kill' is coming up i have to turn over

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Thing is though, this video (and others like it) are freely available to watch on YT with no restrictions and it can be quite easily viewed as it is in this thread. Since starting this thread my stance has altered, I do think YT should place a warning onto things like this (like the iPlayer suggestion), I still don't have a problem with videos like this as it's what happens in nature and can be quite interesting.

I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree , there is nothing nothing remotely interesting in watching a pregnant wildebeest having its foetus and its leg ripped of and eaten by Hyenas . This happens in nature but it is still stomach churning and I for one do not want to see this. These clips should have a warning of graphic content.

Also I fail to understand how a thread purporting to discuss censorship can degenerate into clip after clip of wild animals ripping each other to shreds and feeding on the carcasses of the weakest.

Folks .... Please get a grip...!!!

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Also I fail to understand how a thread purporting to discuss censorship can degenerate into clip after clip of wild animals ripping each other to shreds and feeding on the carcasses of the weakest.

Folks .... Please get a grip...!!!

There's...one video in this thread? In the OP? In a spoiler? Not quite sure we're the ones who need to get a grip.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Shaun

There's...one video in this thread? In the OP? In a spoiler? Not quite sure we're the ones who need to get a grip.

if you had been here sooner!,you would have seen a kill fest of you tube clips its only beacuse ben pulled his finger out and removed the rest and put his own in in a spoiler.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by Shaun

There's...one video in this thread? In the OP? In a spoiler? Not quite sure we're the ones who need to get a grip.

Maybe if you had been here earlier you would have seen the 4/5 other clips that were posted including one of a fetus being ripped out of a wildebeest

40D and other iplayers (i think) have the correct way, putting disclaimers saying the clip is suitable for ages over, and you have to click a box to say you are that age
Yes people will lie but they are choosing to watch the video even after a disclaimer so their fault

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree , there is nothing nothing remotely interesting in watching a pregnant wildebeest having its foetus and its leg ripped of and eaten by Hyenas . This happens in nature but it is still stomach churning and I for one do not want to see this. These clips should have a warning of graphic content.

Also I fail to understand how a thread purporting to discuss censorship can degenerate into clip after clip of wild animals ripping each other to shreds and feeding on the carcasses of the weakest.

Folks .... Please get a grip...!!!

Well you may not find it interesting, but I and many others do find nature interesting. This thread is not video after video of wild animals ripping each other to shreds, they have been removed, I even told you that.

And if you do not want to see these types of videos, then do not watch them, it really is as simple as that. Nobody forced you to watch it in the first place, that was your own choice to hit the play button. The video I posted was also spoilered after I initially posted it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Well you may not find it interesting, but I and many others do find nature interesting. This thread is not video after video of wild animals ripping each other to shreds, they have been removed, I even told you that.

And if you do not want to see these types of videos, then do not watch them, it really is as simple as that. Nobody forced you to watch it in the first place, that was your own choice to hit the play button. The video I posted was also spoilered after I initially posted it.

i get what your saying but by not puting your clip in a spoiler in the first place it was like turning up to a house fire the next day

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree , there is nothing nothing remotely interesting in watching a pregnant wildebeest having its foetus and its leg ripped of and eaten by Hyenas . This happens in nature but it is still stomach churning and I for one do not want to see this. These clips should have a warning of graphic content.

Also I fail to understand how a thread purporting to discuss censorship can degenerate into clip after clip of wild animals ripping each other to shreds and feeding on the carcasses of the weakest.

Folks .... Please get a grip...!!!

I agree that this kind of stuff is sickening to watch. I wonder at the kind of people who choose to watch it. I agree that there is naturally some interest in stuff like this, but surely the interest is confined to people in the field of zoology, or other related field. Yes, it's nature and it happens, but then so does rape, female genital mutilation and other things that I do not want to watch on the Internet. Just because some sicko posts it up doesn't mean it should be available to the general public and if you really enjoy watching stuff like this, then I worry for your mental health.

Incidentally, words can paint a picture, and I didn't actually have to watch the film to get a sickening graphic description of it from several different posters.

[Marc]

These videos

[billy123]

People are such wetends at times i dont want to watch it so i havent that doesnt mean nobody should be able to watch it we should all have the choice.
Just because someone doesnt want to see it doesnt give them the right to force that choice upon everybody else thats just ridiculous reasoning.

[LemonJam]

Am I the only person completely unaffected by that video?

Yeah I agree with the whole disclaimer/warning beforehand shiz.

[Novo]

Also i fail to understand how a Hyena hunting a wildebeest like the way those 2 Hyenas did isn't remotely interesting.. that's a once in a lifetime clip, i don't really have much sympathy for it.. wrong place wrong time = Hyena Fodder

[Nedusa]

So where is the debate on You Tube censorship , what types of YT clips are posted what are removed , how much political or religious hate speech is permitted. Is slander allowed or removed? Who decides, to what degree . Who sets these ground rules and what body or group has the final say on what stays on YT.

This was the type of debate I was expecting not just one clip after another of the type we have seen in this thread. The thread has in my opinion gone off on a tangent from the title in the OP.

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So where is the debate on You Tube censorship , what types of YT clips are posted what are removed , how much political or religious hate speech is permitted. Is slander allowed or removed? Who decides, to what degree . Who sets these ground rules and what body or group has the final say on what stays on YT.

This was the type of debate I was expecting not just one clip after another of the type we have seen in this thread. The thread has in my opinion gone off on a tangent from the title in the OP.

It is not video after video, they were removed when I came back online and no more have been posted since. You are the one continuing to go on about it, nobody else.

So continue the discussion and stop calling on things that were removed.

[The Human Santapede]

Even without the spoiler, you could tell from the video title and from the post I made that it wasn't going to be a nice, happy little video, it was very obvious. The still from the video does not show anything graphic, so if people then played the video and found it graphic and it offended them, no offence, but they really do need to get a little common sense. It's like having a cup of coffee with 'hot' written on the lid yet someone still drinking it, burning themselves and complaining that they didn't realise it was going to be hot.

[thesheriff443]

back to censorship!
is it right then for you or other members to post clips on this forum for younger members to see that they would not be able to see on other sites due to age restrictions?

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

back to censorship!
is it right then for you or other members to post clips on this forum for younger members to see that they would not be able to see on other sites due to age restrictions?

Nope, but those videos, mine included, had no age restrictions.

[In the Drunk Tank]

It's a bit more difficult to regulate it with Youtube though, 4od/iplayer etc have complete control over what's uploaded but with YouTube you've obviously got thousands of people uploading videos every minute, it's not always gonna be possible to ensure every video that might be a bit graphic has a disclaimer

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a bit more difficult to regulate it with Youtube though, 4od/iplayer etc have complete control over what's uploaded but with YouTube you've obviously got thousands of people uploading videos every minute, it's not always gonna be possible to ensure every video that might be a bit graphic has a disclaimer

Yes, I will never forget that video that stayed up for ages of that guy who jumped off a cliff or something and split his face wide open but was still alive

It might even still be there. It was my own fault for watching it though as I knew beforehand what it was just didnt expect it to be so graphic. I dont remember if that had a disclaimer.

I think overly vicious animal vids should have a disclaimer. But its a bit hard to figure when to draw the line. For example a vid of a snake eating a mouse, I dont think thats bad, but other people will. But yes, the wildebeast one posted in here yesterday was bad and should have had one (again my own fault, looked at it after I knew what it was AND it had been deleted )

I do think youtube could add censors though, from what I remember you have to wait about an hour or so for your video to become public after you upload it? I thought they were checking that the content was suitable during that time?

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a bit more difficult to regulate it with Youtube though, 4od/iplayer etc have complete control over what's uploaded but with YouTube you've obviously got thousands of people uploading videos every minute, it's not always gonna be possible to ensure every video that might be a bit graphic has a disclaimer

Before a video is uploaded the user has to set an age rating?
if the do not follow these guidlines/lie about the rating they could be banned from youtube idk

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes, I will never forget that video that stayed up for ages of that guy who jumped off a cliff or something and split his face wide open but was still alive

It might even still be there. It was my own fault for watching it though as I knew beforehand what it was just didnt expect it to be so graphic. I dont remember if that had a disclaimer.

I think overly vicious animal vids should have a disclaimer. But its a bit hard to figure when to draw the line. For example a vid of a snake eating a mouse, I dont think thats bad, but other people will. But yes, the wildebeast one posted in here yesterday was bad and should have had one (again my own fault, looked at it after I knew what it was AND it had been deleted )

I do think youtube could add censors though, from what I remember you have to wait about an hour or so for your video to become public after you upload it? I thought they were checking that the content was suitable during that time?

Oh God I saw that video too, I remember hearing about it and the curiosity got the better off me, made me a lot more cautious of those sort of videos since

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Before a video is uploaded the user has to set an age rating?
if the do not follow these guidlines/lie about the rating they could be banned from youtube idk

Yeah I suppose they could do that, I think users can choose to set their videos so that you have to sign in and confirm you're over 18 to see them but then you just have to trust they'll do it, I bet a lot don't because they think they'll miss out on views and stuff

And also like Vicky said it's hard to know really where to draw the line, I guess it can be pretty subjective about how much is too much

[The Human Santapede]

I wouldn't say I enjoy watching stuff like this, but it does interest me a lot. Nature and the animal kingdom always has, and unfortunately it doesn't all come with a happy ending. The one that somebody posted with the fetus was too much (hence it being deleted). But comparing watching animals killing each other (to eat, survive and feed their offspring) to rape is ridiculous.

If , say, some of these videos were instead in a BBC/Nature documentary, like I'm sure some have been, would the same be said of them then?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

I wouldn't say I enjoy watching stuff like this, but it does interest me a lot. Nature and the animal kingdom always has, and unfortunately it doesn't all come with a happy ending. The one that somebody posted with the fetus was too much (hence it being deleted). But comparing animals killing each other (to eat, survive and feed their offspring) to rape is ridiculous.

I'm sure that not everyone who watches this stuff does so for anything other reason than the gratuitous, twisted thrill of watching something tear something else apart. Rape happens... we're animals... I don't see the difference really. You see, I'm wondering where we draw the line when it comes to watching stuff online. I mean, wolverines kill for fun, I'm sure I could find some footage of them doing something dispicable to another animal for reasons other than survival... so should that be available for random members of the public with a computer, or not?

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sure that not everyone who watches this stuff does so for anything other reason than the gratuitous, twisted thrill of watching something tear something else apart. Rape happens... we're animals... I don't see the difference really. You see, I'm sondering where we draw the line when it comes to watching stuff online. I mean, wolverines kill for fun, I'm sure I could find some footage of them doing something dispicable to another animal for reasons other than survival... so should that be available for random members of the public with a computer, or not?

I see your point, but I class humans very separately from animals. But to your point about animals killing each other just for the fun, what about when TV documentaries show those clips? Would you classify that as the same, where millions of viewers in one hit are shown it, or is that different from online? I don't get a kick out seeing animals in pain, I have so much respect and fascination with the lives they lead, and yes some people probably do watch this for the fun (I don't disagree with you that is a little distrurbing) but still comparing it to rape just doesn't work for me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

I see your point, but I class humans very separately from animals. But to your point about animals killing each other just for the fun, what about when TV documentaries show those clips? Would you classify that as the same, where millions of viewers in one hit are shown it, or is that different from online? I don't get a kick out seeing animals in pain, I have so much respect and fascination with the lives they lead, and yes some people probably do watch this for the fun (I don't disagree with you that is a little distrurbing) but still comparing it to rape just doesn't work for me.

I wasn't implying that you personally get a kick out of it, but I think there are a lot of people who do or this stuff wouldn't be so widely viewed. And yes, Humans are very different to animals. Animals generally don't harm each other for kicks, rape, murder, abuse, ******* each other over for a percentage... I've never known an animal fire a gun or build a bomb, but I realise I'm going off at a tangent there. By comparing it to rape, I was trying to make the point that there is some stuff that is just too disturbing to watch.

I think the difference between watching this stuff on TV as part of a documentary, and watching it online is context. On Youtube I can view just the cruelty, the pain, the terror... on TV I watch it as part of a bigger picture.