[Marsh.]

Except once you pass a certain period in your pregnancy, it's no longer just her "own body" but another life inside of her.

I always hate that the father never gets a say either, that is wrong too IMO. Takes two to make a baby.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Except once you pass a certain period in your pregnancy, it's no longer just her "own body" but another life inside of her.

I always hate that the father never gets a say either, that is wrong too IMO. Takes two to make a baby.

That is a very good point.

[Mystic Mock]

It depends on the circumstances like if the woman was raped then I believe she should be allowed to have an abortion.

[Ammi]

..but then, it's no less of a life because of the circumstances..or any less of an innocent...

..surely it's either right or wrong..unless medical complications come into it..for the mother or the baby...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but then, it's no less of a life because of the circumstances..or any less of an innocent...

..surely it's either right or wrong..unless medical complications come into it..for the mother or the baby...

Yes, very true.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

It depends on the circumstances like if the woman was raped then I believe she should be allowed to have an abortion.

I see your point but it's still a life, regardless of the circumstances.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Redway

I see your point but it's still a life, regardless of the circumstances.

Well an embryo isn't exactly a sentient being, and in any case if it's going to ruin the mothers life then she should have a right to the abortion, could also argue it isn't fair for a child to be born into that kind of environment

Anyway, you illegalise abortion and we'll just see the rise of back street abortions which would be a disaster

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well an embryo isn't exactly a sentient being, and in any case if it's going to ruin the mothers life then she should have a right to the abortion, could also argue it isn't fair for a child to be born into that kind of environment

Anyway, you illegalise abortion and we'll just see the rise of back street abortions which would be a disaster

..but then who's to decide what would ruin a person's life..that's the problem...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but then who's to decide what would ruin a person's life..that's the problem...

No but we're saying that if the woman was raped and has got pregnant that she should have the option of aborting the child if she wants to.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but then who's to decide what would ruin a person's life..that's the problem...

I think the individual is the only one with the ability to really judge the impact it will have on their life, I'd also say it's their body and if they choose to abort the baby ut of it then that isn't something any court or government should have the right to prohibit

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well an embryo isn't exactly a sentient being, and in any case if it's going to ruin the mothers life then she should have a right to the abortion, could also argue it isn't fair for a child to be born into that kind of environment

I see both sides to the argument (as well as what you're saying) but I do believe life starts at fertilsation, no matter just how undeveloped it may be at this stage. But obviously you're more than free to disagree.

[Ammi]

..whatever the circumstances of conception..it doesn't detract from the unborn life...surely the trauma of rape wouldn't be lessened by the added trauma of abortion...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

I see your point but it's still a life, regardless of the circumstances.

Yes but it's not a life that the woman wanted to create, and what if the child searches for her in the future and she doesn't want to know the child? then don't forget if they are severely disabled aswell, it's cruel to watch them suffer I would imagine.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Yes but it's not a life that the woman wanted to create, and what if the child searches for her in the future and she doesn't want to know the child? then don't forget if they are severely disabled aswell, it's cruel to watch them suffer I would imagine.

..could you not assume that anyone having an abortion other than for medical reasons, didn't want to create that life...?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..could you not assume that anyone having an abortion other than for medical reasons, didn't want to create that life...?

Well if the woman was raped for example then no she didn't willingly want to create that life for the baby, plus the child would not get a nice environment anyway as everytime the Mother looks at the child it would bring back all the trauma of when she was raped, I honestly believe the option of abortion should be there for stuff like that and if the child is severely disabled.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Yes but it's not a life that the woman wanted to create, and what if the child searches for her in the future and she doesn't want to know the child? then don't forget if they are severely disabled aswell, it's cruel to watch them suffer I would imagine.

That's true but again any unwanted child can be put up for adoption or some other alternative (in the event of a severely disabled child). And, yeah, I understand the woman not wanting to see her child (depending on the woman) but the guilt of having the abortion could add to the pain. But again, feel free to disagree.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Completely wrong, but if the girl was like raped then maybe not.

[joeysteele]

Personally I am against it, however I would never force my opinion on this onto any Woman having a child.
I would vote,if I had a vote, to certainly lower the limit by a good way from what it is now though.

[nicole_burks]

If a girl was stupid and got her self knocked-up she should be the one to take the price for it.
On the other hand, a women was raped she could carry out the full term and put the child up for adoption. I understand that yes you'll be reminded of the rape, but even if you didn't get pregnant you can still be reminded of the rape.

[Marsh.]

"Ruining the mother's life" isn't a good enough excuse.

Sexual intercourse is primarily for reproducing. You take the risk of creating a baby every time you have sex.

If you can't handle the possible consequences of that act then you shouldn't be doing it.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Sexual intercourse is primarily for reproducing. You take the risk of creating a baby every time you have sex.

Who says?

I think sexual intercourse could be primarily for fun if you like.

[nicole_burks]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Who says?

I think sexual intercourse could be primarily for fun if you like.

Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by nicole_burks

Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.

Sex for pleasure isn't being a slut though, it doesn't mean you're going around having sex with anything that moves

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by nicole_burks

Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.

I think it's stupid for calling single people sluts though, the ones I class as sluts are people who have already got a partner but decide to sleep around the block 24/7.

[nicole_burks]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I think it's stupid for calling single people sluts though, the ones I class as sluts are people who have already got a partner but decide to sleep around the block 24/7.

So you're okay with people sleeping around with a different person every night?

okay..