[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It wouldn't hurt for him to stand up to him a bit more, he completely backed down when Netanyahu told him there'd be no discussion of Israel withdrawing to the agreed 1967 borders, without which there's no hope for any real peace process at all

yeah obama did back down too fast I agree
the trouble is israel have built over 500,000 beyond the 1967 border, illegally, so how do you unsramble scrambled eggs?

[arista]

[arista]

Six Israeli 'spies' executed before baying mob in Gaza City, before motorbike gang drags one bloodied victim through the streets

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2Cmktby5M



Latest:
A Halt for a day
then back to War.

[Livia]

I imagine he had a fair trial before they executed him.

[Novo]

When you see things like that it makes you appreciate living in this country we have our faults but doing something like that would never be a normal or acceptable thing over here.. there is just no acceptable reasoning for it at all and there never will be

[King Gizzard]

Middle east is a lost cause

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Novo

When you see things like that it makes you appreciate living in this country we have our faults but doing something like that would never be a normal or acceptable thing over here.. there is just no acceptable reasoning for it at all and there never will be

That is so true. I can't see how anyone, whichever side they favour, whoever they feel is in the right or the wrong, can fail to be disgusted by a picture like that.

[the truth]

The endless war will never be ceased until both sides recognise their right to exist. However it must also be understood how badly the palestinians have been treated. Theyve had their country stolen from them, they live in abject poverty in vastly overpopulated under funded regions, even the land they actually got in the 1960s has been partially stolen. This has to be addressed as all their reactions and over reactions are in some way related to this.

[Nedusa]

The Israeli defence ?? Forces must be slacking as they've only killed 126 Palestinians , you would have thought with 3 dead Israelis the IDF would have killed at least 300 Palestinians . They normally work on a ratio of about 100 to 1.....!!!!

[the truth]

Im so profoundly disappointed in the jewish people in particular the israelis. For all the suffering theyve been through and for all the support we have offered them over the decades. the fact they show so little or no empathy and compassion for the disgusting treatment of the palestinians has really lost the Jewish people and the israelis a lot of respect. The village near me gave 200 Jews a castle in the war. even during rations, the locals would go to the castle and feed and clothe these jewish families. the castle was called gwyrch castle (I think I spelled it right) the families survived and grew...yet little mention is ever made of this on the world stage? Across europe 50 million plus people died fighting the nazis....The nazis hated loads of groups of people, the blacks, the disabled, the communists, the jews and many more.....the russians lost 25 million people fighting this tyranny....Everyone suffered. I really think the Jewish people and the Israels should show more humility now for all the help they have been given and also for the suffering of the palestinian people. Its not 1945 anymore, than God. its 2012 and times have moved on. The israelis have all the power and wealth and weaponry , they need to find some empathy now.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im so profoundly disappointed in the jewish people in particular the israelis. For all the suffering theyve been through and for all the support we have offered them over the decades. the fact they show so little or no empathy and compassion for the disgusting treatment of the palestinians has really lost the Jewish people and the israelis a lot of respect. The village near me gave 200 Jews a castle in the war. even during rations, the locals would go to the castle and feed and clothe these jewish families. the castle was called gwyrch castle (I think I spelled it right) the families survived and grew...yet little mention is ever made of this on the world stage? I really think the Jewish people and the Israels should show more humility now for all the help they have been given and also for the suffering of the palestinian people. Its not 1945 anymore, than God. its 2012 and times have moved on. The israelis have all the power and wealth and weaponry , they need to find some empathy now.

I agree with your comments but to be honest most Israelis are brainwashed to believe Palestinians are sub human and deserve to be killed. They even think their holy scribes Torah ?? state this openly.

How can anyone see a way forward in these circumstances, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

[GypsyGoth]

The whole thing is really sad and the only people gaining are the companies selling weapons, and the fanatics on both sides.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree with your comments but to be honest most Israelis are brainwashed to believe Palestinians are sub human and deserve to be killed. They even think their holy scribes Torah ?? state this openly.

How can anyone see a way forward in these circumstances, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

This sentence doesn't really make sense... but if you're saying what I think you're saying, that the Torah openly states that Palestinians should be killed, you are wrong. Many Jews believe that the Torah's statements on justice support a two-state option.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

This sentence doesn't really make sense... but if you're saying what I think you're saying, that the Torah openly states that Palestinians should be killed, you are wrong. Many Jews believe that the Torah's statements on justice support a two-state option.

Is there anything in the Torah about forgiveness and redemption?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

Is there anything in the Torah about forgiveness and redemption?

I'm putting you on ignore. Please don't quote my posts in future. I have no interest in conversing with you.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm putting you on ignore. Please don't quote my posts in future. I have no interest in conversing with you.

I will quote whomever I like, so you may as well quit trying to control me or any other posters, try and stop verbally abusing me too. I see too you will now use this as an excuse to ignore my previous question.

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ruce-deal.html

"Tel Aviv bus explosion jeopardises Israel-Gaza truce deal"


The War goes on.

[Brother Leon]

That above picture is terrible truly terrible, but you can find millions of pics just as bad the other way around too tbf.

[Novo]

There are videos of loads of people just circling around the dead bodies and recording it all on their camera phone laughing and stepping all over them and not one person seemed fazed that they were dead on the street even Children were there watching it.. they have no humanity there

[Niamh.]

I suppose if you're seeing that kind of thing day in, day out, you have to become unfazed by it, you couldn't survive otherwise.

[Novo]

Suppose so but recording it on mobile phones, stepping on dead bodies and dragging them through streets you can understand why people desperately try to get out and come to Europe

[the truth]

no world leader seems to have the stomach for this battle. its so tragic for all the innocent people