[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omah

Why are you going off-topic?



Suffragettes were mostly women from upper– and middle-class backgrounds, frustrated by their social and economic situation. IIRC, their only social media was pamphlets and placards.

As you said 'People who believe that private life shouldn't impinge on business life are living more in hope than in expectation', implying that I'm not aware of the unlikelihood of anything changing, I was trying to make a point that you can disagree with something, but still understand that despite your point of view it is unlikely to change, but you're still entitled to that view and if you truly believe in it should go out of your way to make sure it is heard.

Gender discrimination was prevalent 100 years ago but women didn't just go 'ah well, we live in hope eh! It'll never change!'

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It can also be very damaging. Let's sack someone because they've posted a picture of their night out at the weekend on their own Facebook page! Let's sack them because they've told a joke I don't find funny on their own Twitter account! Yay for unfair dismissal! Yay for increases in unemployment! Yay for a curb of civil liberties! Yay!

Anyone who places personal material in the public domain has only themselves to blame for the consequences (for better or for worse) .....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omah

Anyone who places personal material in the public domain has only themselves to blame for the consequences (for better or for worse) .....

Yes, because that makes it acceptable. Let's curb free speech and expression and live in fear of unemployment for what we choose to do in our own personal leisure time. Fantastic idea there Omah, I'm sure it'll improve people's job satisfaction.

Once again you've bypassed all the points and just resorted to 'well that's the rules, I don't make the rules, accept the rules!!!'.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jack_

As you said 'People who believe that private life shouldn't impinge on business life are living more in hope than in expectation', implying that I'm not aware of the unlikelihood of anything changing, I was trying to make a point that you can disagree with something, but still understand that despite your point of view it is unlikely to change, but you're still entitled to that view and if you truly believe in it should go out of your way to make sure it is heard.

You're going off-topic.

The Recruitment Society and CIPD are seeing more cases of inappropriate photos or comments which are public on sites like Facebook and Twitter.

Both are warning it is legal for employers to search social media sites.

Provided they do not discriminate on things like race and gender, they can choose not to give you a job based on what they find online.

Both groups also say you need to be careful once in work.

They are concerned some people don't realise they can be sacked if they post negative comments about their company.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen (i.e. don't go public).....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, because that makes it acceptable. Let's curb free speech and expression and live in fear of unemployment for what we choose to do in our own personal leisure time. Fantastic idea there Omah, I'm sure it'll improve people's job satisfaction.

Once again you've bypassed all the points and just resorted to 'well that's the rules, I don't make the rules, accept the rules!!!'.

You're persistently trying to hijack this thread .....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omah

You're going off-topic.

Because of course you weren't dragging the thread away from a serious, mature and reasonable discussion when you threw in the word 'deluded' to describe someone's views were you?

Originally Posted by Omah

You're persistently trying to hijack this thread .....

What? I'm hijacking a thread by posting my opinion on it? Is that not the point of 'Serious Debates', to discuss the issue from different perspectives?

[Joseline]

Someone tumblred my pussy, never been more popular.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Because of course you weren't dragging the thread away from a serious, mature and reasonable discussion when you threw in the word 'deluded' to describe someone's views were you?



What? I'm hijacking a thread by posting my opinion on it? Is that not the point of 'Serious Debates', to discuss the issue from different perspectives?

Now you're "baiting" .....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omah

Now you're "baiting" .....

Again, the only baiting was you calling my opinion 'deluded' with a sarcastic emoticon to boot, that's obviously going to provoke a reaction.

What was wrong with responding to my points with a counter-argument? This is an interesting subject, there's no need for petty digs.

Can a mod please clean this thread removing all the digs at each other? This is just silly on both of our parts, I'd actually quite like to see where this thread goes properly.

[Black Dagger]

So will I never have a job now because on Twitter I have the tendancy to tell people to die in arguments

[Me. I Am Salman]

I should stop threatening celebrities on Twitter

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It can also be very damaging. Let's sack someone because they've posted a picture of their night out at the weekend on their own Facebook page! Let's sack them because they've told a joke I don't find funny on their own Twitter account! Yay for unfair dismissal! Yay for increases in unemployment! Yay for a curb of civil liberties! Yay!

If you've got ten applicants for one job, you're going to make sure you're going to choose the one who's not paralytic every weekend, who doesn't badmouth colleagues and throw sickies and then write about it on their Facebook page, which is in the public domain so is not, therefore, private. If someone's not bright enough to know that, I wouldn't want them working for me. If you're doing to demand free speech, you can't expect it to be considered private if it is in a public place. If you don't want people to read what you're saying, or look at your dodgy photos, sort out your privacy settings. It's that simple.

Yay for the most reliable and intelligent person for the job actually getting the job.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I should stop threatening celebrities on Twitter

When you told that Daily Star journalist to fall down a well

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you've got ten applicants for one job, you're going to make sure you're going to choose the one who's not paralytic every weekend, who doesn't badmouth colleagues and throw sickies and then write about it on their Facebook page, which is in the public domain so is not, therefore, private. If someone's not bright enough to know that, I wouldn't want them working for me. If you're doing to demand free speech, you can't expect it to be considered private if it is in a public place. If you don't want people to read what you're saying, or look at your dodgy photos, sort out your privacy settings. It's that simple.

Yay for the most reliable and intelligent person for the job actually getting the job.

Totally agree. Companies, particularly small companies invest a lot in a new recruit so they have every right to research and make balanced judgements from available media in order safeguard their investment.

[Kizzy]

And always remember...BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!

[Ramsay]

Jack is right

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you've got ten applicants for one job, you're going to make sure you're going to choose the one who's not paralytic every weekend, who doesn't badmouth colleagues and throw sickies and then write about it on their Facebook page, which is in the public domain so is not, therefore, private. If someone's not bright enough to know that, I wouldn't want them working for me. If you're doing to demand free speech, you can't expect it to be considered private if it is in a public place. If you don't want people to read what you're saying, or look at your dodgy photos, sort out your privacy settings. It's that simple.

Yay for the most reliable and intelligent person for the job actually getting the job.

First of all I want to make a distinction between those with a publicly open Facebook profile and those with privacy settings turned on. Whilst I still don't agree with using people's personal lives as means of picking a suitable employee for those with publicly open profiles, I have much less sympathy than those who have private profiles yet somehow still end up feeling the repercussions of what should be their personal free leisure time. This does happen I believe, I'm sure I have read and heard stories of highly trained IT professionals being employed by companies and universities to bypass security settings on social networking sites in order to spy on potential candidates/existing workers. That, as far as I'm concerned, is totally out of order.

I also don't agree with this supposed correlation between going out and getting paralytic and being unreliable or unsuitable for work. Plenty of people are more than capable of turning up Monday to Friday, working 9 until 5 to the best of their abilities and to the satisfaction of their employers, and then going out on the town on Friday night getting absolutely wasted and off their face, before returning to work on Monday right as reign as if nothing has happened. This assumption (and that's all it is) by employers, and indeed anyone else who believes so, that having wild nights out on the tiles in people's leisure time, that they are entitled to spend as they wish, means that they won't be suitable for a job is just insulting.

If people are slogging it all week, they deserve a break, and are perfectly entitled to spend that break as they wish. I do not see how it is the business of anyone else but their own, so long as they still perform well day-to-day in their job. They also deserve not to be judged on, or have assumptions made from actions which are totally of no relevance to their bosses.

[Tom4784]

If you're stupid enough to throw a sicky and then post about it on Facebook then you deserve to be sacked for being a ****ing moron.

I don't see the benefit of having your profile enabled for public viewing, It's just asking for it to be used against you and there's no benefits for you in the long run.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

First of all I want to make a distinction between those with a publicly open Facebook profile and those with privacy settings turned on. Whilst I still don't agree with using people's personal lives as means of picking a suitable employee for those with publicly open profiles, I have much less sympathy than those who have private profiles yet somehow still end up feeling the repercussions of what should be their personal free leisure time. This does happen I believe, I'm sure I have read and heard stories of highly trained IT professionals being employed by companies and universities to bypass security settings on social networking sites in order to spy on potential candidates/existing workers. That, as far as I'm concerned, is totally out of order.

I also don't agree with this supposed correlation between going out and getting paralytic and being unreliable or unsuitable for work. Plenty of people are more than capable of turning up Monday to Friday, working 9 until 5 to the best of their abilities and to the satisfaction of their employers, and then going out on the town on Friday night getting absolutely wasted and off their face, before returning to work on Monday right as reign as if nothing has happened. This assumption (and that's all it is) by employers, and indeed anyone else who believes so, that having wild nights out on the tiles in people's leisure time, that they are entitled to spend as they wish, means that they won't be suitable for a job is just insulting.

If people are slogging it all week, they deserve a break, and are perfectly entitled to spend that break as they wish. I do not see how it is the business of anyone else but their own, so long as they still perform well day-to-day in their job. They also deserve not to be judged on, or have assumptions made from actions which are totally of no relevance to their bosses.

I take it from all you've said that you're not actually an employer, and haven't been for that many job interviews recently.

I don't know anything about getting people to hack into accounts to get information. That's not what we're discussing here and it is, as far as I know, illegal.

It's an employers market. If an employer has to choose between a load of applicants then those applicants will be judged on a whole host of things: what they wear, what they say, their personal grooming, how they present themselves, how they sit in the in interview, eye contact, what's on their CV... and what's publicly available to view on their Facebook page.

If you were going to pay someone to work for you, I think you'd probably want to employ someone who is most likely to turn up on Monday morning and not have the rest of the staff pick up the slack when they're inevitably too hung over to come to work. That would be my assumption if there were lots of drunken pictures and silly comments available for the whole world to access. If you're going to demand freedom of speech, don't expect not to be judged on it.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you've got ten applicants for one job, you're going to make sure you're going to choose the one who's not paralytic every weekend, who doesn't badmouth colleagues and throw sickies and then write about it on their Facebook page, which is in the public domain so is not, therefore, private. If someone's not bright enough to know that, I wouldn't want them working for me. If you're doing to demand free speech, you can't expect it to be considered private if it is in a public place. If you don't want people to read what you're saying, or look at your dodgy photos, sort out your privacy settings. It's that simple.

Yay for the most reliable and intelligent person for the job actually getting the job.

Originally Posted by anniek76

Totally agree. Companies, particularly small companies invest a lot in a new recruit so they have every right to research and make balanced judgements from available media in order safeguard their investment.

Yeah, employers pay employees, not the other way round, so they're looking for a return for their outlay - drunken weekend wasters do themselves no favours by advertising their immaturity .....

If, on the other hand, a local church, hospital or football club favourably mentions an applicant "in dispatches" on social media then that applicant is "quids-in" with most employers .....

[KingBilly]

If I ever want to follow my porn dreams I should stop.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Just gonna copy and paste what I posted on the Newsbeat Facebook page the other day about this story since I can't be bothered to type it out again.

How does how you act outside of work at the weekend and in your own personal leisure time bare any relevance to your job and the standard of work you're likely to carry out? Why should how you wish to spend your free time and what you wish to discuss online have any impact on any job/uni place you have applied for? Just because someone may go out and get smashed at the weekend and post it all over Facebook, telling a few risqué jokes in the process, that doesn't mean they're necessarily going to work any less harder than any other applicant. It is rude, based entirely on assumptions and a complete invasion of privacy. And it's only going to lose more and more people jobs and educational places, which with high levels of unemployment is exactly what we want isn't it? How very clever of them.

Or how clever of those who post such info about themselves on these sites - and not realising that many will, unsurprisingly, judge them on how they behave in their own time. It is a fact of life - and those that ignore it do so at their peril, with no room for complaint when it blows up in their faces.

[MTVN]

Think I have my Facebook on private so should have nothing to worry about, they mess around with their settings so much I'm never really sure though

Heard quite a bit about these University Confession pages that have popped up on FB last few months could damage your prospects as well, our Uni had our one taken down

[the truth]

how do u a ctually closae a facebook account?

[Ninastar]

fair enough I think

more so because I work with kids though. I have to be careful with what I say on facebook about work because anyone can find it really. People can comment on that status and they might be friends with someone who goes to the nursery, so they can end up seeing it and getting upset etc...