[GiRTh]

Are the Mail saying that being a benefit cheat was why he killed his kids? I fail to see why they are pointing out his benefits lifestyle. Mick Phillpott is a controlling,. manipulative psycho. He could be a lawyer, a van driver or a benefits cheat the nature of his psychotic tendencies has nothing to do with his lifestyle.

[arista]

"These figures are from the daily mail, so they might be exagerrated somewhat too."


Yes Vicky
but its got backing on Every TV News
even live now on ITV1HD Loose Women.
DM photo page used


On BBCNews Live
Ann Widdecombe talking about when she stayed with them

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

"These figures are from the daily mail, so they might be exagerrated somewhat too."


Yes Vicky
but its got backing on Every TV News
even live now on ITV1HD Loose Women.
DM photo page used


On BBCNews Live
Ann Widdecombe talking about when she stayed with them

I meant the figures about how many people who dont work who actually have loads of children

Taking one extreme case like this and trying to smear all claimants the same is just plain wrong.

The worst thing about this whole story, is the parents (I do not care how many people say the wife was talked into it...shes just as evil as he is and should get the same sentance) should be locked up for the rest of their lives. And I fear they will get short sentences due to the softness of our 'justice' system.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I meant the figures about how many people who dont work who actually have loads of children

Taking one extreme case like this and trying to smear all claimants the same is just plain wrong.

The worst thing about this whole story, is the parents (I do not care how many people say the wife was talked into it...shes just as evil as he is and should get the same sentance) should be locked up for the rest of their lives. And I fear they will get short sentences due to the softness of our 'justice' system.

Absolutely, standing back and letting someone put your children in danger (and them actually ending up dead) is as bad as lighting the match yourself imo. Disgusting excuse of a human being and mother

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely, standing back and letting someone put your children in danger (and them actually ending up dead) is as bad as lighting the match yourself imo. Disgusting excuse of a human being and mother

I have some sympathy with the wife - Not much but some - He stabbed one woman 12 times who dared to leave him in 1978 and the other woman who left him he tried to frame her for the fire. He is the main culprit but, for sure, his wife must take some of the blame.

Men like him are, in my experience, very rarely single. My aunt had an abusive relationship with a guy and when she finally left him we found out less than 6 months later that he'd re-married. He was a charmer so we weren't that surprised. Men like Philpott prey on weak and vulnerable - and usually - young women so I give them some slack.

Philpott is total scum. To hatch the plan to start the fire then be the hero is incredible. Did he not see the obvious flaws in his plan? Clearly not, he was a psycho who would stop at nothing to get what he wanted. No matter who got hurt or even killed. Hope he rots in jail.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I have some sympathy with the wife - Not much but some - He stabbed one woman 12 times who dared to leave him in 1978 and the other woman who left him he tried to frame her for the fire. He is the main culprit but, for sure, his wife must take some of the blame.

Men like him are, in my experience, very rarely single. My aunt had an abusive relationship with a guy and when she finally left him we found out less than 6 months later that he'd re-married. He was a charmer so we weren't that surprised. Men like Philpott prey on weak and vulnerable - and usually - young women so I give them some slack.

Philpott is total scum. To hatch the plan to start the fire then be the hero is incredible. Did he not see the obvious flaws in his plan? Clearly not, he was a psycho who would stop at nothing to get what he wanted. No matter who got hurt or even killed. Hope he rots in jail.

I see your points, It's just as a mother myself I couldn't imagine standing back and letting someone put my kids in danger like that, even if by disagreeing it put my own life in danger. Mothers should be willing to die for their kids imo

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I meant the figures about how many people who dont work who actually have loads of children

Taking one extreme case like this and trying to smear all claimants the same is just plain wrong.

The worst thing about this whole story, is the parents (I do not care how many people say the wife was talked into it...shes just as evil as he is and should get the same sentance) should be locked up for the rest of their lives. And I fear they will get short sentences due to the softness of our 'justice' system.

no one is saying that? only you have mentioned that?
there are however thousands tens of thousands who deliberately milk the system to have kids free homes, free everything , brreed dogs and live a disgusting lazy lifestyle of zero work and no ambition or achievement. these people disgust me and this clown is the worst type of example. to simply avoid discussing it for fear of offending someone on benefits would be wholly wrong. theses people are revolting and its disgusting the hard work of good people should pay to sustain and rewar this disgusting lifestyle. I feel especially sorry for the kids too.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

no one is saying that? only you have mentioned that?
there are however thousands tens of thousands who deliberately milk the system to have kids free homes, free everything , brreed dogs and live a disgusting lazy lifestyle of zero work and no ambition or achievement. these people disgust me and this clown is the worst type of example. to simply avoid discussing it for fear of offending someone on benefits would be wholly wrong. theses people are revolting and its disgusting the hard work of good people should pay to sustain and rewar this disgusting lifestyle. I feel especially sorry for the kids too.

Do you have proof that tens of thousands have kids just to have free homes? I would like to see it as its something I have seen written quite regularly yet have never seen anything to actually back it up.

The bit in bold is ridiculous. Noone has said discussion about it has to be avoided so as not to offend those on benefits. The problem is the deliberately provocative headline/story in the sun, that makes out that this happened because of benefits.

The father was employed as a soldier at the time he almost stabbed a woman to death in 1978....long before any of these children came along.

Following the Mail's logic here.. was that crime because he was "a product of the British Army"?

He was a sick individual long before he started claiming benefits. To say this is a 'product of the welfare' state makes no sense whatsoever.

Also the mail forgot to mention that the family were in work. The man might not have worked, but the women did. Both women in the story worked and recieved tax credits along with wages. Its not a case of just 'breeding' and expecting others to pay.

[joeysteele]

Crumbs arista what a combination, Loose Women and Ann Widdecombe,I would avoid even listening to either of them.
Ann widdecombe like Ian Duncan Smith is another one who bleats on about their faith and Christianity yet are the biggest turn offs to it.

A far more balanced and sensible approach to this tragedy is the thrust of the Guardian reporting of it whereas the Mails is just despicable.

[arista]

Yes the Guardian is OK


But the DM front page gets on FoxNewsHD ,CNNAmerica
and NDTV24x7 India

[Kizzy]

Wow the tabloids really do what they say on the tin don't they?
I am shocked and stunned at how they influence people, and how aggressively they do it too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wow the tabloids really do what they say on the tin don't they?
I am shocked and stunned at how they influence people, and how aggressively they do it too.

Yes but it gets the Readers all over this World.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wow the tabloids really do what they say on the tin don't they?
I am shocked and stunned at how they influence people, and how aggressively they do it too.

They don't and never will influence me at all though Kizzy, I do read sometimes articles but I know my own mind and as for the likes of the Daily Mail I have absolutely no time for at all.

Also the Sun, with their old dinosaur Trevor Kavanagh,I don't think I have agreed more than 5 times with him on anything political.

I do agree though, they do seem to influence people and to me that is worrying since much of the press has an agenda and also reports in a biased way.

[arista]

"smear all claimants the same is just plain wrong."


Yes it is Vicky.
you have that right.

[Kizzy]

Then they will always win, whatever the government try to do that goes against any moral or social responsibility, to the ill and the old as well as the jobless as these reforms are far reaching and have an impact on them too..
Yet all we hear and see is stories like this and pictures of single mothers, when will we have a true representation of those in the benefits system?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then they will always win, whatever the government try to do that goes against any moral or social responsibility, to the ill and the old as well as the jobless as these reforms are far reaching and have an impact on them too..
Yet all we hear and see is stories like this and pictures of single mothers, when will we have a true representation of those in the benefits system?

everyone is a true representation. Its wrong to have kids and expect the government to pay for all the bills, its also a disgusting example to show children to show them you dont have to work, you can just ask for handouts. people who cant afford children shouldnt have them or should allow them to be adopted.

[Vicky.]

A balanced view on this headline

Well worth a read

http://www.newstatesman.com/alan-whi...uct-welfare-uk


On a side note, perhaps it would be a better idea to have two seperate threads on this. One about the mails disgusting and inappropriate choice of wording, and another about the actual tragedy. So that the two dont get mixed up. It doesnt really feel right to be arguing about benefits when the real issue here is that 6 innocent children were killed :/

[Niall]

It's abhorrent to see them exploiting such a sad story to flog their age old propaganda that is 'the benefits system is ruining the country'.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niall

It's abhorrent to see them exploiting such a sad story to flog their age old propaganda that is 'the benefits system is ruining the country'.

Fully agree with you.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niall

It's abhorrent to see them exploiting such a sad story to flog their age old propaganda that is 'the benefits system is ruining the country'.

I fully disagree with you. the only thing abohorrent here is the 3 adults who brought on this tragedy. its high time scum like this and the system that supports their disgusting lifestyles were brought to book

[AnnieK]

The abhorrent thing in this story is that these children lost their lives. For me it would equally abhorrent if they had been three fully employed adults...the fact that they were benefit claimants is by the by for me when these innocent children lost their chance to grow up.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by anniek76

The abhorrent thing in this story is that these children lost their lives. For me it would equally abhorrent if they had been three fully employed adults...the fact that they were benefit claimants is by the by for me when these innocent children lost their chance to grow up.

This, couldn't have put it better

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by anniek76

The abhorrent thing in this story is that these children lost their lives. For me it would equally abhorrent if they had been three fully employed adults...the fact that they were benefit claimants is by the by for me when these innocent children lost their chance to grow up.

Exactly.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by anniek76

The abhorrent thing in this story is that these children lost their lives. For me it would equally abhorrent if they had been three fully employed adults...the fact that they were benefit claimants is by the by for me when these innocent children lost their chance to grow up.

would this idiot have been in a position where he had 17 children (11 under one roof), brreding dogs, several women on the go, showing off about his abusive cheating ways on tv, if the benefit system hadnt been economically funding his entire lifestyle. the benefits which in the end he was so scared to lose, they were in fact part of the reason he did what he did which lead to the deaths of these innocent children.

I find it abhorrent that people on here cannot see this and are using this tragedy to support their pro welfare benefits agenda without pointing to the truth, that the benefits system funded this pigs lifestyle and was a crucial part of the reason he got away with his behaviour for so many years and was part of the reason 6 innocent children died

[Vanessa]

Poor kids!