[Vanessa]

No, i don't think so. Why should they ?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

You say "lavish" like they're all going on somewhere afterwards to party.

It's all very well saying, oh it will cost more than the benefit cuts to the disabled. You could say that about anything. It's a fraction of what we send to India. It's a fraction of what we send to Africa, where we'vebeen digging wells for the last two hundred years and yet they're still drinking dirty water. If there wasn't anything to moan about, the Thatcher-haters would invent something.

WHAT!!!!!LOL

Unfortuantely there is so much to complain about with Thatcher that there's no need to invent anything.

[Suze]

I admit certain things evade me re politics and off shore accounts etc.

But on reading the quoted news item, Maggie was the PM, and she had offshore accounts? Don't offshore accounts effect the economy of the Country? and if so, shouldn't a PM or former PM lead/have lead by example, considering the supposed state this Country is in that stealing from the poor to give to the rich, re our latest PM, robbing hood. Does he have offshore accounts also then?

As for the thread question itself. If Maggie herself requested no State Funeral or the likes, in that respect her wishes should have been respected, especially by her kin. Simple as. Now her funeral could be a mockery if some people who disliked her bombard it. What a memory for her family and it's their own faults.

[Kizzy]

I say no too and I doubt very much that I would be alone in my opinion there, no need to be rude though, I appreciate there will be some who welcome this news however thin on the ground they are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Suze

I admit certain things evade me re politics and off shore accounts etc.

But on reading the quoted news item, Maggie was the PM, and she had offshore accounts? Don't offshore accounts effect the economy of the Country? and if so, shouldn't a PM or former PM lead/have lead by example, considering the supposed state this Country is in that stealing from the poor to give to the rich, re our latest PM, robbing hood. Does he have offshore accounts also then?

As for the thread question itself. If Maggie herself requested no State Funeral or the likes, in that respect her wishes should have been respected, especially by her kin. Simple as. Now her funeral could be a mockery if some people who disliked her bombard it. What a memory for her family and it's their own faults.

Suze, you are right it does affect the economy quite considerably.. But you have to understand there is a big difference between tax 'evasion' and tax 'avoidance'... What that difference is I'm not sure

[Jack_]

Absolutely not - she didn't request a state funeral so any tax payer funded one is disrespectful to her wishes. I quite like(d) the private company bidding idea. That is, after all, what she would have wanted. But then I suppose she'd have also wanted to rob the poorest of some more valuable money so maybe this'll keep her spirits happy too.

I sincerely hope and expect that if this goes ahead there will be some kind of riot that kicks off. I wouldn't usually support that but if you're going to use tax payers money to fund a funeral for a woman whom for a lot of those tax payers she will have destroyed their communities, then you'll get what's coming to you. And the minute I see the police turning into some military style force, sh*t will hit the fan.

Originally Posted by Livia

How much does everyone think a state funerl is going to cost, in real terms? Probably less than it costs the country to keep all our alcoholics and junkies on benefits for a day. And why the hell shouldn't the military be involved? The military had respect for Thatcher and she had respect for them. This woman did get us a HUGE rebate from the EU, I don't see why that shouldn't be mentioned now. Like her or hate her, she was a great stateswoman and politician. As for the call that she was unpopular, I'd remind everyone that she never lost an election. She was in power for over a decade.

I'd actually rather support them considering Thatcher herself will have inadvertently pushed a lot of them into that position as a result of her policies.

[joeysteele]

She was a successful politician for her party, to be admired in some ways for attaining the status she did in that party and her determination to succeed, she lays claim to the fame of being the first UK PM, not the first in the World however, she was a strong and successful leader of her party.
She was a strong but not necessarily good PM overall as to large sections of the UK.

She was PM for over 11 years, won 3 elections, Harold Wilson actually won 3 elections too and led his party the be the largest party in a 4th,(Tony Blair was PM for over 10 years too, only about 18 months less than Margaret Thatcher).
The Queen did not attend Harold Wilson's funeral, no military were involved as to that so I see no reason why money should be spent from the taxpayer for her funeral and the Queen should not be there,she should represent all the people not a narrow section of it.

Margaret Thatcher will be talked about in political history in a good and bad way for as long as politics endures along with many others.
She has a statue erected in Westminster for her and for me that is where it all should end.

Her funeral should be the sole responsibility of her own estate, her family and if they so wish the backstabbing Conservative party who threw her out, not the taxpayer.
I also fail to see why those who disliked her intensely should now because she has died, become hypocrites and be expected to not say anything bad as to her.

I am sad for her, that her last years were riddled with illness, she would have got my vote once and once only,however in the end as far as I am concerned she was no more than a privileged citizen with a title.
This overblown coverage about her funeral is ridiculous and I also have little doubt as I have said before, that she would likely be as infuriated at it as many others are and rightly so.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I made the comment about the military. Why would you weave in your little comment in your reply to Cherie's post?

Oh actually, yeah... I remember why you do that now.

It's the minority ***** making a fuss over this funeral. As usual.

Ah.. you mean who're?

Is it the minority though... who're the supporters?

[Kizzy]

''Operation true blue''

This is totally ridiculous...
''The “True Blue committee” brings together MI5, National Security Secretariat, the police, Buckingham Palace, the Church of England, the Parliamentary authorities, Government departments and representatives of Lady Thatcher’s estate''

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ral-plans.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

''Operation true blue''

This is totally ridiculous...
''The “True Blue committee” brings together MI5, National Security Secretariat, the police, Buckingham Palace, the Church of England, the Parliamentary authorities, Government departments and representatives of Lady Thatcher’s estate''

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ral-plans.html

Of course
what else would they do

[Vicky.]

No. We are apparently broke.

And she wouldn't have wanted it anyway.

So I dont get it at all :S

[joeysteele]

I don't think operation true blue is ridiculous, daft title but there you go.

However as long as those involved in it were the ones paying every pence as to cost and security and not one pence of taxpayers money was used then that would be fair enough.
However since they are not footing 100% of the cost then that part is not only ridiculous but also massively wrong and unacceptable in my opinion.

They shouldn't even have to be considering the extra cost of security for the Queen and Prince Philip's presence at it, they should not even be there at all anyway.

I am also though a bit sick of the Falklands conflict being milked regularly for all its worth, I expected to hear some mention of it but it does seem rather sick to keep milking it over and over.

[hijaxers]

It is a disgraceful waste of money . I hate that the Queen is attending this ridiculous overblown funeral and i hope it all goes tits up !

I'd be happy if they chucked her on the nearest bonfire

Total abuse of tax payers money !!!

[Nedusa]

I think its a bit of a gamble to hold such a high profile funeral given the extreme divisiveness that currently exists in relation to Mrs Thatcher and her legacies.

This is still a huge amount of bad feeling from people and families across the social spectrum that still to this day hate everything about Thatcher and Thatcherism. The depth of anger I fear is strong enough to motivate certain groups to plan major disruptions to this funeral.

Coupled with the current protest mentality we have seen in the last few years then this funeral could provide a trigger for some of the largest and most explosive protests the Capital has seen in a long time.

I hope the policing and security for this event are ready for all eventualities...!!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

It is a disgraceful waste of money . I hate that the Queen is attending this ridiculous overblown funeral and i hope it all goes tits up !

I'd be happy if they chucked her on the nearest bonfire

Total abuse of tax payers money !!!

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

[the truth]

I have carefully considered this and I would say no. For a few reasons, 1) she didnt want it 2) a socialized funeral surely goes against all her preachings? let the multi multi millionare family pay or at least part pay. 3) we're bankrupt and the fact were able to spend tens of millions on this funeral (that will be the hidden cost eventuALLY) in times of austerity is morally wrong. this added to the many milllions spent of the jubillee too seems obsene. I think todays tribute is more than enough. Ive watched every speech and enjoyed all but 1. the endless pro feminism garble by one female tory. none of these women mps are fit to swing her handbag,like her or loathe her, she came through the system, no anti democraic women only short list, no chance, I wouldnt have voted for her in a million years, but she did it on merit.

meanwhile thousands die of fuel poverty thanks to her privatising the utilities, the fuel , the vat rises , the nat ins rises all combine to cripple the poor and small business. and the millions of industrial workers (the ones who survived or didnt kill themselves) wonder to this day why she treated them all with such contempt. all they ever did was try to work to feed their families.

why didnt she privatise the coal pits? why didnt she evaluate which were th emost economic.incidentally 1 pit stayed open in wales, the big pit in the rhondda valleys. it made Ł300 million in the 15 years after she closed it. proving her decision to shut it wrong and frankly absurd. sadly none of this has been mentioned today

[the truth]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

where did u hear or read that?

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

I begrudge every penny - let the millionaires pay or the Beastly Barclay brothers !!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

I heard that on BBC news. Wonder how much.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by the truth

I have carefully considered this and I would say no. For a few reasons, 1) she didnt want it 2) a socialized funeral surely goes against all her preachings? let the multi multi millionare family pay or at least part pay. 3) we're bankrupt and the fact were able to spend tens of millions on this funeral (that will be the hidden cost eventuALLY) in times of austerity is morally wrong. this added to the many milllions spent of the jubillee too seems obsene. I think todays tribute is more than enough. Ive watched every speech and enjoyed all but 1. the endless pro feminism garble by one female tory. none of these women mps are fit to swing her handbag,like her or loathe her, she came through the system, no anti democraic women only short list, no chance, I wouldnt have voted for her in a million years, but she did it on merit.

meanwhile thousands die of fuel poverty thanks to her privatising the utilities, the fuel , the vat rises , the nat ins rises all combine to cripple the poor and small business. and the millions of industrial workers (the ones who survived or didnt kill themselves) wonder to this day why she treated them all with such contempt. all they ever did was try to work to feed their families.

why didnt she privatise the coal pits? why didnt she evaluate which were th emost economic.incidentally 1 pit stayed open in wales, the big pit in the rhondda valleys. it made Ł300 million in the 15 years after she closed it. proving her decision to shut it wrong and frankly absurd. sadly none of this has been mentioned today

Hey wouldn't it be great if all the miners turned up and threw coal at her coffin !!

[Marsh.]

I do agree that surely such a funeral goes against all of her self serving preachings.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

Wow someone paying for their own funeral, how novel. Prime Minsters get their salary for life so the cost of her salary has been picked up by the taxpayer since she retired yet we still have to foot part of the bill for her funeral, the security is going to be on a par with the Olympics but that went on for two weeks...we are constantly hearing how the police are overstretched yet they can all be pulled from their day jobs to provide security for this? It would make some sense if she died in office, we can only hope John Major, Tony Blair or Gordon Brown don't meet the grim reaper anytime soon as presumably they will get the same send off?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I do agree that surely such a funeral goes against all of her self serving preachings.

I can only assume having seen Mark Thatcher on the news saying how humbled he is that the Queen is attending that the family are pushing for this for their own self serving purposes and riding roughshod over the wishes of their mother.

Will there be a media blackout on any trouble, as there will be trouble no doubt.

[King Gizzard]

No

[James]

The possibility that there is going to be protests reminds me a bit of the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church.