[Livia]

I made the comment about the military. Why would you weave in your little comment in your reply to Cherie's post?

Oh actually, yeah... I remember why you do that now.

It's the minority ***** making a fuss over this funeral. As usual.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I made the comment about the military. Why would you weave in your little comment in your reply to Cherie's post?

Oh actually, yeah... I remember why you do that now.

It's the minority ***** making a fuss over this funeral. As usual.

Ah.. you mean who're?

Is it the minority though... who're the supporters?

[Nedusa]

Well now lets see.... Due to her misguided greedy selfish policies Britain has ended up where we are today.......Broke !!! whilst Mrs Thatchers families combined wealth probably runs in the tens of millions .So if you are asking if the Tax payer should fund a Public Funeral with Full military honours I would have to say NO..!!!!

[Vanessa]

No, i don't think so. Why should they ?

[Suze]

I admit certain things evade me re politics and off shore accounts etc.

But on reading the quoted news item, Maggie was the PM, and she had offshore accounts? Don't offshore accounts effect the economy of the Country? and if so, shouldn't a PM or former PM lead/have lead by example, considering the supposed state this Country is in that stealing from the poor to give to the rich, re our latest PM, robbing hood. Does he have offshore accounts also then?

As for the thread question itself. If Maggie herself requested no State Funeral or the likes, in that respect her wishes should have been respected, especially by her kin. Simple as. Now her funeral could be a mockery if some people who disliked her bombard it. What a memory for her family and it's their own faults.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Suze

I admit certain things evade me re politics and off shore accounts etc.

But on reading the quoted news item, Maggie was the PM, and she had offshore accounts? Don't offshore accounts effect the economy of the Country? and if so, shouldn't a PM or former PM lead/have lead by example, considering the supposed state this Country is in that stealing from the poor to give to the rich, re our latest PM, robbing hood. Does he have offshore accounts also then?

As for the thread question itself. If Maggie herself requested no State Funeral or the likes, in that respect her wishes should have been respected, especially by her kin. Simple as. Now her funeral could be a mockery if some people who disliked her bombard it. What a memory for her family and it's their own faults.

Suze, you are right it does affect the economy quite considerably.. But you have to understand there is a big difference between tax 'evasion' and tax 'avoidance'... What that difference is I'm not sure

[Kizzy]

I say no too and I doubt very much that I would be alone in my opinion there, no need to be rude though, I appreciate there will be some who welcome this news however thin on the ground they are.

[joeysteele]

She was a successful politician for her party, to be admired in some ways for attaining the status she did in that party and her determination to succeed, she lays claim to the fame of being the first UK PM, not the first in the World however, she was a strong and successful leader of her party.
She was a strong but not necessarily good PM overall as to large sections of the UK.

She was PM for over 11 years, won 3 elections, Harold Wilson actually won 3 elections too and led his party the be the largest party in a 4th,(Tony Blair was PM for over 10 years too, only about 18 months less than Margaret Thatcher).
The Queen did not attend Harold Wilson's funeral, no military were involved as to that so I see no reason why money should be spent from the taxpayer for her funeral and the Queen should not be there,she should represent all the people not a narrow section of it.

Margaret Thatcher will be talked about in political history in a good and bad way for as long as politics endures along with many others.
She has a statue erected in Westminster for her and for me that is where it all should end.

Her funeral should be the sole responsibility of her own estate, her family and if they so wish the backstabbing Conservative party who threw her out, not the taxpayer.
I also fail to see why those who disliked her intensely should now because she has died, become hypocrites and be expected to not say anything bad as to her.

I am sad for her, that her last years were riddled with illness, she would have got my vote once and once only,however in the end as far as I am concerned she was no more than a privileged citizen with a title.
This overblown coverage about her funeral is ridiculous and I also have little doubt as I have said before, that she would likely be as infuriated at it as many others are and rightly so.

[Kizzy]

''Operation true blue''

This is totally ridiculous...
''The “True Blue committee” brings together MI5, National Security Secretariat, the police, Buckingham Palace, the Church of England, the Parliamentary authorities, Government departments and representatives of Lady Thatcher’s estate''

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ral-plans.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

''Operation true blue''

This is totally ridiculous...
''The “True Blue committee” brings together MI5, National Security Secretariat, the police, Buckingham Palace, the Church of England, the Parliamentary authorities, Government departments and representatives of Lady Thatcher’s estate''

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ral-plans.html

Of course
what else would they do

[Vicky.]

No. We are apparently broke.

And she wouldn't have wanted it anyway.

So I dont get it at all :S

[hijaxers]

It is a disgraceful waste of money . I hate that the Queen is attending this ridiculous overblown funeral and i hope it all goes tits up !

I'd be happy if they chucked her on the nearest bonfire

Total abuse of tax payers money !!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

It is a disgraceful waste of money . I hate that the Queen is attending this ridiculous overblown funeral and i hope it all goes tits up !

I'd be happy if they chucked her on the nearest bonfire

Total abuse of tax payers money !!!

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

[the truth]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

where did u hear or read that?

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

I begrudge every penny - let the millionaires pay or the Beastly Barclay brothers !!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

I heard that on BBC news. Wonder how much.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

Wow someone paying for their own funeral, how novel. Prime Minsters get their salary for life so the cost of her salary has been picked up by the taxpayer since she retired yet we still have to foot part of the bill for her funeral, the security is going to be on a par with the Olympics but that went on for two weeks...we are constantly hearing how the police are overstretched yet they can all be pulled from their day jobs to provide security for this? It would make some sense if she died in office, we can only hope John Major, Tony Blair or Gordon Brown don't meet the grim reaper anytime soon as presumably they will get the same send off?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Its not all tax payers
some of it is paid by her Estate

All of it,not some of it,should be paid by her estate and other interested parties, nothing should have to be paid from Govt funds from taxpayers.
Not a single pence.

Neither should taxpayers fund any other Prime Minister's funeral in any way too.
I doubt many would have not agreed with Winston Churchill's funeral being funded by the State but certainly no other PMs should be.

This funding of her funeral with public funds in part and all this near proclaiming her a Saint is going to really sour this funeral.
This is really becoming bizarre now.

[joeysteele]

I don't think operation true blue is ridiculous, daft title but there you go.

However as long as those involved in it were the ones paying every pence as to cost and security and not one pence of taxpayers money was used then that would be fair enough.
However since they are not footing 100% of the cost then that part is not only ridiculous but also massively wrong and unacceptable in my opinion.

They shouldn't even have to be considering the extra cost of security for the Queen and Prince Philip's presence at it, they should not even be there at all anyway.

I am also though a bit sick of the Falklands conflict being milked regularly for all its worth, I expected to hear some mention of it but it does seem rather sick to keep milking it over and over.

[Nedusa]

I think its a bit of a gamble to hold such a high profile funeral given the extreme divisiveness that currently exists in relation to Mrs Thatcher and her legacies.

This is still a huge amount of bad feeling from people and families across the social spectrum that still to this day hate everything about Thatcher and Thatcherism. The depth of anger I fear is strong enough to motivate certain groups to plan major disruptions to this funeral.

Coupled with the current protest mentality we have seen in the last few years then this funeral could provide a trigger for some of the largest and most explosive protests the Capital has seen in a long time.

I hope the policing and security for this event are ready for all eventualities...!!!

[the truth]

I have carefully considered this and I would say no. For a few reasons, 1) she didnt want it 2) a socialized funeral surely goes against all her preachings? let the multi multi millionare family pay or at least part pay. 3) we're bankrupt and the fact were able to spend tens of millions on this funeral (that will be the hidden cost eventuALLY) in times of austerity is morally wrong. this added to the many milllions spent of the jubillee too seems obsene. I think todays tribute is more than enough. Ive watched every speech and enjoyed all but 1. the endless pro feminism garble by one female tory. none of these women mps are fit to swing her handbag,like her or loathe her, she came through the system, no anti democraic women only short list, no chance, I wouldnt have voted for her in a million years, but she did it on merit.

meanwhile thousands die of fuel poverty thanks to her privatising the utilities, the fuel , the vat rises , the nat ins rises all combine to cripple the poor and small business. and the millions of industrial workers (the ones who survived or didnt kill themselves) wonder to this day why she treated them all with such contempt. all they ever did was try to work to feed their families.

why didnt she privatise the coal pits? why didnt she evaluate which were th emost economic.incidentally 1 pit stayed open in wales, the big pit in the rhondda valleys. it made £300 million in the 15 years after she closed it. proving her decision to shut it wrong and frankly absurd. sadly none of this has been mentioned today

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by the truth

I have carefully considered this and I would say no. For a few reasons, 1) she didnt want it 2) a socialized funeral surely goes against all her preachings? let the multi multi millionare family pay or at least part pay. 3) we're bankrupt and the fact were able to spend tens of millions on this funeral (that will be the hidden cost eventuALLY) in times of austerity is morally wrong. this added to the many milllions spent of the jubillee too seems obsene. I think todays tribute is more than enough. Ive watched every speech and enjoyed all but 1. the endless pro feminism garble by one female tory. none of these women mps are fit to swing her handbag,like her or loathe her, she came through the system, no anti democraic women only short list, no chance, I wouldnt have voted for her in a million years, but she did it on merit.

meanwhile thousands die of fuel poverty thanks to her privatising the utilities, the fuel , the vat rises , the nat ins rises all combine to cripple the poor and small business. and the millions of industrial workers (the ones who survived or didnt kill themselves) wonder to this day why she treated them all with such contempt. all they ever did was try to work to feed their families.

why didnt she privatise the coal pits? why didnt she evaluate which were th emost economic.incidentally 1 pit stayed open in wales, the big pit in the rhondda valleys. it made £300 million in the 15 years after she closed it. proving her decision to shut it wrong and frankly absurd. sadly none of this has been mentioned today

Hey wouldn't it be great if all the miners turned up and threw coal at her coffin !!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Hey wouldn't it be great if all the miners turned up and threw coal at her coffin !!

the miners are above this, they showed way more dignity than she ever did. the miners are heroes to a man. theres a 1000 years of world class coal left , but she flooded the mines after shutting them. thankfully slowly but surely theyre reopening several drift and open cast mines in wales. no one in SOUTHERN england seems to begin to appreciate what king coal means to the welsh, there is also the abandonment of the slate quariies, the lime, the wool, the gold , the silver, the copper, the steel too.....cardiff was the single biggest coal exporter IN THE WORLD...the 1st ever million pound business deal on record took place at the coal exchange in tiger bay....all the gold you see on the queens throne and the house of lords is ALL pure welsh gold. wales is the oldest inhabited part of the UK and perhaps its for this reason its grown so rich in some resources or perhaps this is why the original britions lived in wales.

mining had taken place in wales for at least 750 years, hirwaun was the biggest coal pit in the world, blaenavon alone had 130 drift mines, hundreds of thousands flocked to wales for this massive industiral revolution, visit cardiff bay (tiger bay) today and you will still find a multi cultural happy community where many people are black or mixed race. they were welcomed with open arms and the local working class people showed very little racism towards them. ask any black person from that area and he / she will confirm this remarkable community of people.

the blaenau ffesitniog slate quarry is sstill the biggest in the world and all those communites were 100% self sufficient building homes from the slate, fuelled by the coal and exporting to the world via cardiff and llandudno, wales also produced 66% of the entire worlds copper using recipes 4000 years old and refined in the great orme north wales, it was this ingeuity that gave the welsh the reputation for being mercurial and mystical people and lead to them using the mythical dragon as its national emblm... they were living the dream in many ways

Ive read the 5th century mabinogion and the welsh/britons were a free spirited people, they didnt wish to have leaders or to be lead. this ultimately made them relatively peaceful home loving self sufficient tribes. but also made them vulnerable to attacks by the vikings, the anglo saxons and the french in future centuries...

all the coal and copper and cannonballs for lord nelsons ships were produced in wales, the copper was placed on the bottom of british ships and made them unsinkable which in turn helped him defeat the french and ultimately let britain rule the waves for a few centuries

delighted to say though tata has a huge mine reopening in port talbot to fuel its steel works , still the largest in the uk. theyve used new methods of drilling to find the rich seams easier and as a drift mine will be able to use machinery to find this coal with far less danger, ill health and greater safety.
the little steam trains remain and the coal mining expertise remains and has been passed on from one generation to another. when the welsh suffered harship they quietly left and took their industrial expertise to argentina, pennsylvania (usa) and russia to name but a few. their ingenuity in these areas and in forming the unions to run them proved massively successful. welsh communities were built and pennsylvania was named after welsh immigrant william penn, they settled there as the place best suited to their industrial agenda and also most similar to wales itself.

maggie thatchers destruction of coal will be remembered but the spirit and heritage of these great people will outlast her disastrous industrial legacy

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

the miners are above this, they showed way more dignity than she ever did. the miners are heroes to a man. theres a 1000 years of world class coal left , but she flooded the mines after shutting them. thankfully slowly but surely theyre reopening several drift and open cast mines in wales. no one in SOUTHERN england seems to begin to appreciate what king coal means to the welsh, there is also the abandonment of the slate quariies, the lime, the wool, the gold , the silver, the copper, the steel too.....cardiff was the single biggest coal exporter IN THE WORLD...the 1st ever million pound business deal on record took place at the coal exchange in tiger bay....all the gold you see on the queens throne and the house of lords is ALL pure welsh gold. wales is the oldest inhabited part of the UK and perhaps its for this reason its grown so rich in some resources or perhaps this is why the original britions lived in wales.

mining had taken place in wales for at least 750 years, hirwaun was the biggest coal pit in the world, blaenavon alone had 130 drift mines, hundreds of thousands flocked to wales for this massive industiral revolution, visit cardiff bay (tiger bay) today and you will still find a multi cultural happy community where many people are black or mixed race. they were welcomed with open arms and the local working class people showed very little racism towards them. ask any black person from that area and he / she will confirm this remarkable community of people.

the blaenau ffesitniog slate quarry is sstill the biggest in the world and all those communites were 100% self sufficient building homes from the slate, fuelled by the coal and exporting to the world via cardiff and llandudno, wales also produced 66% of the entire worlds copper using recipes 4000 years old and refined in the great orme north wales, it was this ingeuity that gave the welsh the reputation for being mercurial and mystical people and lead to them using the mythical dragon as its national emblm... they were living the dream in many ways

Ive read the 5th century mabinogion and the welsh/britons were a free spirited people, they didnt wish to have leaders or to be lead. this ultimately made them relatively peaceful home loving self sufficient tribes. but also made them vulnerable to attacks by the vikings, the anglo saxons and the french in future centuries...

all the coal and copper and cannonballs for lord nelsons ships were produced in wales, the copper was placed on the bottom of british ships and made them unsinkable which in turn helped him defeat the french and ultimately let britain rule the waves for a few centuries

delighted to say though tata has a huge mine reopening in port talbot to fuel its steel works , still the largest in the uk. theyve used new methods of drilling to find the rich seams easier and as a drift mine will be able to use machinery to find this coal with far less danger, ill health and greater safety.
the little steam trains remain and the coal mining expertise remains and has been passed on from one generation to another. when the welsh suffered harship they quietly left and took their industrial expertise to argentina, pennsylvania (usa) and russia to name but a few. their ingenuity in these areas and in forming the unions to run them proved massively successful. welsh communities were built and pennsylvania was named after welsh immigrant william penn, they settled there as the place best suited to their industrial agenda and also most similar to wales itself.

maggie thatchers destruction of coal will be remembered but the spirit and heritage of these great people will outlast her disastrous industrial legacy

You and I have not agreed a lot recently but I found this a fascinating post to read and so really well said The Truth.

[Marsh.]

I do agree that surely such a funeral goes against all of her self serving preachings.