[GiRTh]

To OP - Dont agree with a word of your post but when you mentioned UKip, I totally tuned out.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zee

I'm talking about recent history. Britain's waded into several conflicts unnecessarily; it's natural for there to be repercussions. I'm absolutely not condoning what they did, I just think the OP in this thread doesn't really take their views into account. The EDL are a racist and volatile, reactionary group who are worsening the situation. The actions of a very small minority do not represent the majority; it'd be like saying the EDL represents all white British people. They don't. The EDL and these men, and those like them, are as bad as each other. Intolerant people with crazy ideas.

It wasn't the soldiers who made the decision it was the government. He just did as he was told.

I kind of see you argument but this soldier is as innocent as those caught in the crossfire everyday in Afghanistan, Iraq etc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It wasn't the soldiers who made the decision it was the government. He just did as he was told.

I kind of see you argument but this soldier is as innocent as those caught in the crossfire everyday in Afghanistan, Iraq etc

This is entirely my point too, as I said this is shocking due to the randomness of the attack but will it be enough to have an impact on British foreign policy? No.

[Z]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It wasn't the soldiers who made the decision it was the government. He just did as he was told.

I kind of see you argument but this soldier is as innocent as those caught in the crossfire everyday in Afghanistan, Iraq etc

I know, that's what I mean though; soldiers are the muscle for the government and so aggression was taken out on this one particular soldier, even though he himself hadn't done anything to warrant being so violently murdered by complete strangers. These men who committed this crime are deranged and should be punished accordingly, there is no disputing that. I think, though, people are becoming intolerant of Muslims as a group when it's not their fault that there are some mentally unhinged people committing brutal crimes, who happen to be Muslim, saying they're doing it because of their faith. Are the Westboro Baptist Church representative of all Christians? No. I just think there's a decreasing level of tolerance for Islam in the UK and it's because of insane people, not the Islamic religion, causing that.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

I know, that's what I mean though; soldiers are the muscle for the government and so aggression was taken out on this one particular soldier, even though he himself hadn't done anything to warrant being so violently murdered by complete strangers. These men who committed this crime are deranged and should be punished accordingly, there is no disputing that. I think, though, people are becoming intolerant of Muslims as a group when it's not their fault that there are some mentally unhinged people committing brutal crimes, who happen to be Muslim, saying they're doing it because of their faith. Are the Westboro Baptist Church representative of all Christians? No. I just think there's a decreasing level of tolerance for Islam in the UK and it's because of insane people, not the Islamic religion, causing that.

ummm, you're making it sound like it's the EDL that are saying that these "unhinged people" are doing it in the name of Islam... NO, it is those people themselves who themselves say they are doing it because of ISLAM. The EDL isn't making that up.

Why is it that you are willing to listen to them about the fact that they are unhappy about the wars, but when they say they do it because of Islam, then you shut that part out?

They are SPECIFICALLY saying that they do it BECAUSE of ISLAM.

Why arn't you listening to them? You expect us to listen to their message about the wars, and the wrong caused by British troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, but you're not listening to them saying they want to impose the Sharia law on all of the UK. Saying they want to create a WAR on the streets of London.

Why are you picking and choosing which part of their message you listen to?

The Westboro Baptist Church has never killed or physically hurt anyone. So that is a ridiculous comparisson to make. It's ridiculous to compare some nutters with signs to beheading someone in the middle of a street. Westboro baptist church is like Peta protests, nothing at all like ISLAMIC JIHADISTS.

There are plenty of Muslims out on the streets just as crazy as Westboro baptist church saying things against gays, and worse things. And it's fine to criticize westboro baptist church, but when you criticize muslims, ohhh, then yur a racist. well no, you're not. The double standard is sickening.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm, you're making it sound like it's the EDL that are saying that these "unhinged people" are doing it in the name of Islam... NO, it is those people themselves who themselves say they are doing it because of ISLAM. The EDL isn't making that up.

Why is it that you are willing to listen to them about the fact that they are unhappy about the wars, but when they say they do it because of Islam, then you shut that part out?

They are SPECIFICALLY saying that they do it BECAUSE of ISLAM.

Why arn't you listening to them? You expect us to listen to their message about the wars, and the wrong caused by British troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, but you're not listening to them saying they want to impose the Sharia law on all of the UK. Saying they want to create a WAR on the streets of London.

Why are you picking and choosing which part of their message you listen to?

The Westboro Baptist Church has never killed or physically hurt anyone. So that is a ridiculous comparisson to make. It's ridiculous to compare some nutters with signs to beheading someone in the middle of a street. Westboro baptist church is like Peta protests, nothing at all like ISLAMIC JIHADISTS.

I think you are the one only listening to what you want to hear.

[Z]

Wah you're so hard to talk to Alex

I didn't say that the EDL invented any of these claims, the claims came from those men themselves. The EDL however is an Islamophobic organisation, which in my opinion just adds to the problem that these crazy people have created. They want to get rid of all Islamic people, when it's only a small minority who seemingly hate the UK. I don't understand most of your post though... I'm not shutting anything out? Or if I am, I don't understand what you think I'm ignoring? I don't expect us to listen to their views, that is absolutely not what I am saying at all! I think that we have to understand WHY they did what they did, instead of just blaming all Muslim people for what they did, which is what the EDL are doing, and which is what this thread is hinting at. I'm not listening to their message. I think they're as crazy as everyone else in this thread does. I just think we ought to respond to extreme hate, not with more extreme hate in kind, but understanding at the very least. I used the Westboro Baptist Church as an example of an extremist Christian group. I could have used the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as an example instead; whose leader was convicted of sexual assault on children. Again, it's not brutal murder, it's just for the example of extremist groups acting in the name of religion. They do not represent everyone of the Christian faith any more than two insane men carving up an innocent soldier declaring war on the UK represent Islam. Crazy people don't respect post codes or faiths, they need to be helped or locked away; but tarring everyone with the same brush because of the actions of a few is wrong, and if you think that that makes me some kind of sympathiser, then that's your prerogative. I just like to try and see both sides to things like this.

[lostalex]

When christians harass gays and talk about women covering up, it's ohh, those close minded bigots. They are so repressed and backwards.

When Muslims do it, the left shuts up, and says "ohh we must respect their faith and their culture".

It's bull****.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

When christians harass gays and talk about women covering up, it's ohh, those close minded bigots. They are so repressed and backwards.

When Muslims do it, the left shuts up, and says "ohh we must respect their faith and their culture".

It's bull****.

That's not true. Burkas are banned in France.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That's not true. Burkas are banned in France.

Yea, and France also had thousands of people taking to the streets against gay marriage. The idea of France as such enlightened, liberal people should be shattered by now.

[Me. I Am Salman]

You're gay, you should understand what it's like to be part of an oppressed minority. You're a disgrace

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

You're gay, you should understand what it's like to be part of an oppressed minority. You're a disgrace

I'm not a disgrace, i'm willing to stand up against the OPRESSORS, MUslims are not an oppressed minority, they are the OPPRESSORS.

Muslims claiming to be oppressed is like Nazis claiming to be oppressed by the jews.

[MTVN]

Oh dear

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Yea, and France also had thousands of people taking to the streets against gay marriage. The idea of France as such enlightened, liberal people should be shattered by now.

I was replying to your inaccurate post. If you want to debate how tolerant the French are then start a thread but in the meantime I was merely pointing out that one of your post contained a/another inaccurate statement.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I was replying to your inaccurate post. If you want to debate how tolerant the French are then start a thread but in the meantime I was merely pointing out that one of your post contained a/another inaccurate statement.

What are you talking about? what did i say that was inaccurate? stop being so cryptic.

When did i say that France didn't ban the burka? I NEVER said that.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm not a disgrace, i'm willing to stand up against the OPRESSORS, MUslims are not an oppressed minority, they are the OPPRESSORS.

Muslims claiming to be oppressed is like Nazis claiming to be oppressed by the jews.

WTF Cant be arsed to post with such ignorance.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

WTF Cant be arsed to post with such ignorance.

Or you can't form an intelligent response...

bye.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

When christians harass gays and talk about women covering up, it's ohh, those close minded bigots. They are so repressed and backwards.

When Muslims do it, the left shuts up, and says "ohh we must respect their faith and their culture".

It's bull****.

We must respect their faith by banning the Burkha eh?

That is the inaccurate part of your post. Its disheartening that I had to point that out to you. Do you not remember typing that?

RE You last post. Say bye if you want but that does not make you right. Your next post will no doubt contain one or a number of inaccurate sweeping statements.

I asked you the other day how old you were; God know why but I think you thought I was trying to get to know you for social reasons. *LAUGHABLE*. I was trying to get a picture of the level of ignorance I was dealing with here. I would expect someone of your age and sexual orientation to be a little more tolerant but if you're happy with what you post then who am I to argue.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Or you can't form an intelligent response...

bye.

Why have you altered this post?

Is it an intelligent to forget what you posted? Stop being insulting please.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Why have you altered this post?

Is it an intelligent to forget what you posted? Stop being insulting please.

Is it an intelligent to forget? what?

wtf are you on about?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Is it an intelligent to forget? what?

wtf are you on about?

You have the attention span of a fly.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We must respect their faith by banning the Burkha eh?

That is the inaccurate part of your post. Its disheartening that I had to point that out to you. Do you not remember typing that?

RE You last post. Say bye if you want but that does not make you right. Your next post will no doubt contain one or a number of inaccurate sweeping statements.

I asked you the other day how old you were; God know why but I think you thought I was trying to get to know you for social reasons. *LAUGHABLE*. I was trying to get a picture of the level of ignorance I was dealing with here. I would expect someone of your age and sexual orientation to be a little more tolerant but if you're happy with what you post then who am I to argue.

I never said that I supported banning the burka. I don't have a problem with the burka any more than I have a problem with those idiots in the guy fawkes masks.

When did I EVER say that I supported a ban on the burka?? please quote me.

as far as you asking my age and you thinking you asked me for social reasons... wtf?? lol wow, you've really got your own little twisted narrative going in your head don't you. Are you trying to say that you thought I was flirting with you or something? What do you mean by "for social reasons"??? lol

You are very deluded if that's what you thought.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You have the attention span of a fly.

Stop being insulting please.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I never said that I supported banning the burka. I don't have a problem with the burka any more than I have a problem with those idiots in the guy fawkes masks.

When did I EVER say that I supported a ban on the burka?? please quote me.

as far as you asking my age and you thinking you asked me for social reasons... wtf?? lol wow, you've really got your own little twisted narrative going in your head don't you.

Oh Jesus!!!!!!

Read thru all the posts, and this time try and understand them.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Oh Jesus!!!!!!

Read thru all the posts, and this time try and understand them.

So basically once again you said something you can't back up.

You are literally incapable of having a linear conversation.

Here's a clue, when you say something, know what you're talking about, and have proof to back it up. When you accuse someone of something, have evidence. When you find any post i have ever made supporting the banning of the burka, let me know. It's not my job to do your homework for you.

I have never said that i support banning the burka, because i don't.

Feel free to go through every post i've ever made though, if you really do believe that i've ever said that i support banning the burka, go find it, and quote it. It will be a waste of your time though. Cause i've never said that i support banning the burka.