[iRyan]

She's not purposefully lying. She's still clearly shocked and uncomfortable by the situation. I mean how do you comfortably tell people "oh yeah, he chocked me and pinned me down and threatened me".

[Jamie585]

Originally Posted by iRyan

She's not purposefully lying. She's still clearly shocked and uncomfortable by the situation. I mean how do you comfortably tell people "oh yeah, he chocked me and pinned me down and threatened me".

This, pretty accurate!!

[rusticgal]

She is shocked...but she also knows her behaviour was antagonistic which is why she is not in bits as an innocent victim would be. She knows she should have reacted differently rather than playing bat and ball.... she knows she pushed him...he was drunk and wanted to sleep but she wouldnt leave him alone.
I am not condoning his behaviour because he obviously has issues and how he got through the process is beyond me...someone made a huge mistake and Hazel became the victim... but she clearly did not recognise the signs and now feels guilty for not nipping the whole situation in the bud before it got completely out of control.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She is shocked...but she also knows her behaviour was antagonistic which is why she is not in bits as an innocent victim would be. She knows she should have reacted differently rather than playing bat and ball.... she knows she pushed him...he was drunk and wanted to sleep but she wouldnt leave him alone.
I am not condoning his behaviour because he obviously has issues and how he got through the process is beyond me...someone made a huge mistake and Hazel became the victim... but she clearly did not recognise the signs and now feels guilty for not nipping the whole situation in the bud before it got completely out of control.

The 'guilt' is for our benefit, she wants us all to feel sorry for her rather than hate her, as she knows she was already hated by last Fridays boos

Good luck with that Hazel lolololololol

[blue]

behind every man's down fall is a woman FACT

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by blue

behind every man's down fall is a woman FACT

What about gay men?

I smell misogyny

[Visage]

I genuinely thought she was confused, after all she did spend the night in the same room as Daley and it looked like he was around the garden during the day. Maybe she just needed time to digest what was happening.

[Kizzy]

She is trying to work out as we all are wtf happened in there, like most abused women she is blaming herself and is ashamed of the outcome even though it is none of their fault!
I don't think she's strong enough to answer 200 questions about it yet.

[CaudleHalbard]

FFS stop referring to Hazel as an abused woman. It is an insult to those women who are trapped in abusive relationships.

Hazel could walk away any time. She chose not to.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

FFS stop referring to Hazel as an abused woman. It is an insult to those women who are trapped in abusive relationships.

Hazel could walk away any time. She chose not to.

No I won't, he did abuse her..
It's hard to walk away if you are pinned to a bed.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

FFS stop referring to Hazel as an abused woman. It is an insult to those women who are trapped in abusive relationships.

Hazel could walk away any time. She chose not to.

Exactly!

[Marsh.]

I'd be bloody pissed off if a woman pulled my shorts down on national TV but I know it wouldn't make me lay a finger on her.

Nothing anybody does makes another person do anything. You have a choice, if you can barely control yourself to make that choice then it doesn't make the victim of your reaction the blame. It means you have deep rooted issues and should seek help.

She was joking, and yes took it too far, but he took it way beyond anything and threatened a woman much weaker than him.

Those suggesting she actually wanted him to lose his temper are blinded by their dislike of Hazel. She was flirting and wanted a kiss, hug or more. To suggest she purposely engineered the entire situation to get him in trouble or kicked out is delusional.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'd be bloody pissed off if a woman pulled my shorts down on national TV but I know it wouldn't make me lay a finger on her.

Nothing anybody does makes another person do anything. You have a choice, if you can barely control yourself to make that choice then it doesn't make the victim of your reaction the blame. It means you have deep rooted issues and should seek help.

She was joking, and yes took it too far, but he took it way beyond anything and threatened a woman much weaker than him.

Those suggesting she actually wanted him to lose his temper are blinded by their dislike of Hazel. She was flirting and wanted a kiss, hug or more. To suggest she purposely engineered the entire situation to get him in trouble or kicked out is delusional.

Of course it's all he has been dreaming about all week, the girl he coveted asking him to snuggle in bed.... What was he thinking?!
Answer?.... He wasn't thinking

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'd be bloody pissed off if a woman pulled my shorts down on national TV but I know it wouldn't make me lay a finger on her.

Nothing anybody does makes another person do anything. You have a choice, if you can barely control yourself to make that choice then it doesn't make the victim of your reaction the blame. It means you have deep rooted issues and should seek help.

She was joking, and yes took it too far, but he took it way beyond anything and threatened a woman much weaker than him.

Those suggesting she actually wanted him to lose his temper are blinded by their dislike of Hazel. She was flirting and wanted a kiss, hug or more. To suggest she purposely engineered the entire situation to get him in trouble or kicked out is delusional.

I disagree....to suggest she had no idea he would get upset is far more delusional, hses been there 4 weeks and she knows he not the brightest and she knows deliberately keeping him awake, demanding hugs and jumping on top on him in bed, wouldembarass him to millions and his watching girlfriend and son....she knew he was too weak mentally to deal with it and she knew pulling hispants down would upset him....none of that was done by her as innocent flirting , it was a power g\ame designed to humiliate a less intelligent less worldly wise man, which in turn would garner her attention and fame and of course money.....her whole spiel today was a joke....who me? hear no evil ? see no evil? she claimed to know nothing, then she tried to play it both ways, he didn't deserve to go hes harmless she said to dan and co , then she said she was scared, then she said she was only with him through boredom and didn't fancy daley, then she said she didn't want to be defined by this relationship,,,,, then she blamed him for playing around behind his girlfriends back etc

she planned it all

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I won't, he did abuse her..
It's hard to walk away if you are pinned to a bed.

They both "abused" each other. He did not hurt her and there is zero evidence that he would have done. She got a scare but she soon got over it, to the extent she climbed into his bed the following morning.

I maintain it is an serious insult to women (and men) who are in abusive relationships to lump Hazel in with them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

They both "abused" each other. He did not hurt her and there is zero evidence that he would have done. She got a scare but she soon got over it, to the extent she climbed into his bed the following morning.

I maintain it is an serious insult to women (and men) who are in abusive relationships to lump Hazel in with them.

this is true, despite it all, no one hit anyone

[fingers]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

They both "abused" each other. He did not hurt her and there is zero evidence that he would have done. She got a scare but she soon got over it, to the extent she climbed into his bed the following morning.

I maintain it is an serious insult to women (and men) who are in abusive relationships to lump Hazel in with them.

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

Daley was the one who turned.... She was wanting a hug?
He was being argumentative, intimidating and rude I'm talking the last 3mins here.
It was uncomfortable viewing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fingers

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

Wow, I just can't believe that you actually watched what he did to her and still say that. I would have been terrified if a man did that to me. It was scary even watching it. If she wasn't at all scared and was putting on an act then why didn't she act more upset in the Diary Room? She wasn't melo dramatic about it all, she told it like what we saw, she seemed confused at whether or not he was being serious but she said she felt a bit threatened when he said he would "nut her"

[anne666]

Originally Posted by fingers

The only "SCARE" she got was when BB intervened and called Daley to the Diary Room, That's when she guiltily jumped out of bed and onto the chair, There was obviously no more danger to her from Daley but there could have been from BB if BB thought that she was instigating something. Guilty as hell just as she looked guilty in the house at the announcement of Daley's exit.
An accomplished liar and cocktease, Dan's next on the list if she can turn him.

Sorry I can't stand the woman but I totally disagree.

[YodaBB]

I'm sorry I don't think it's fair to say 'no one hit anyone, so there was no abuse', he clearly was threatening with "You need to learn to respect your elders" whilst closing in on her & holding her head. Then after that pinning her to the bed & threatening to 'nut her one' whilst in her face. That was aggressive & potentially abusive.

Can we not just drop this now

[the truth]

Originally Posted by YodaBB

I'm sorry I don't think it's fair to say 'no one hit anyone, so there was no abuse', he clearly was threatening with "You need to learn to respect your elders" whilst closing in on her & holding her head. Then after that pinning her to the bed & threatening to 'nut her one' whilst in her face. That was aggressive & potentially abusive.

Can we not just drop this now

she actually grabbed his throat first, she jumped into his bed after he said no, stuck a pillow over his face, demanded he come over and hug her in bed against his will despite him saying no, pulled his pants down against his will

[YodaBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

she actually grabbed his throat first, she jumped into his bed after he said no, stuck a pillow over his face, demanded he come over and hug her in bed against his will despite him saying no, pulled his pants down against his will

Did she? It wasn't in an aggressive manor anyhow, whereas he was very aggressive.

We're just agree to disagree I suppose.

I agree with you that Hazel deserved her warning for pulling his shorts down but she isn't to blame for what happened to her whatsoever. This is the last post I'm gonna post on all this Hazel/Daley situation, as It feels like it's just going in circles tbh.

[Marsh.]

She didn't grab his throat first, blatant lie.

Most of your other points are reading into every tiny detail as though ever breath is a machination of some sort.

In realty these are real people, not characters from a soap.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

She didn't grab his throat first, blatant lie.

Most of your other points are reading into every tiny detail as though ever breath is a machination of some sort.

In realty these are real people, not characters from a soap.

yes she did watch it again....she even admitted to it herself....though suposedly in a playful way