[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kulafey

absolutely. people are making a moral judgement on Hazel but not daley, yet Daley is the only one who was cheating, It seems that's ok though, because he can't help himself, what with being a man and all - that's obviously why rapists get away with it, cos these attractive single women shouldn't be talking or smiling or being so goddamn sexy - they're just asking for it - aren't they? And worse they are using that sexist moral judgement to justify a large powerful man grabbing a woman around the throat, pinning her to the bed and threatening to head butt her. Its a ******ing disgrace. And Emma Willis is a ******ing disgrace too for suggesting that Hazel must take half the blame.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What a load of sexist bollox, Hazel is to blame because she's attractive and flirted with him and the poor man couldn't cope with that? Give me a ****ing break. He has no self control, that's 100% his fault, no one elses

yourecbeing sexist she pulled his pants down on national tv? that's sexual assaault

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

lol that sounds a lot like the girl who wears a mini skirt deserved to be rapped argument as asking for it.. shocking

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Engage your brain you silly little person. Its 'raped' by the way. Women are the stronger sex when it comes to well...sex. She used that fact to manipulate the situation.

And what exactly does Hazel's sexual ability have to do with him turning aggressive?

Engage your own brain, Daley's actions are his own fault and no one else's.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

And what exactly does Hazel's sexual ability have to do with him turning aggressive?

Engage your own brain, Daley's actions are his own fault and no one else's.

If you read what I wrote, you will see that I have totally seperated the two situations. His behaviour towards the end was totally inexcusable, and he acknowledged that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

If you read what I wrote, you will see that I have totally seperated the two situations. His behaviour towards the end was totally inexcusable, and he acknowledged that.

He in no way acknowledged that he was sorry to Hazel though..........you know the actual person he pinned to the bed and threatened?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

he was blaming it on the drink, that means he was not in control, how far would it of went without bb.

He still never mentioned anything about it all Hazels fault like the OP suggested and that's what my post was regarding..so not really sure what the point in your post is?

Originally Posted by Jack_

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

I agree the Emma hate is OTT, she conducted the interview professionally IMO.

Also agree with the rest of your post.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Josy

He still never mentioned anything about it all Hazels fault like the OP suggested and that's what my post was regarding..so not really sure what the point in your post is?



I agree the Emma hate is OTT, she conducted the interview professionally IMO.

Also agree with the rest of your post.

all I want to know is, if daley had you round the throat how would you feel?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

all I want to know is, if daley had you round the throat how would you feel?

What on earth does that have to do with anything I have posted in this thread and also can't you debate a topic without getting personal?

Let me make this clear.

The OP of this thread states that Daley layed all the blame on Hazel during his interview and that isn't true which is what I posted in reply.

So why are you bringing up the strangling thing?

I have posted my opinion in plenty of threads about the assault.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

Wow.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

Oh yeah blame Hazel again for something that HE instigated in the first place. He started gravitating towards her and she then reciprocated it when he told her that he and his girlfriend werent a definite item and had agreed to just talk after the show. Daley is a grown man. Even if Hazel flirted and flirted with him and he really loved his gf he would never have started anything with Hazel. She is being painted as a wicked witch who hypnotised him. She didnt and even though she should have reigned in the flirting he made his own choices

[Josy]

How were they blaming Hazel?

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Josy

How were they blaming Hazel?

yeah, i dont think they put any blame on Hazel.. the interview was based on how he was in the wrong.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by Drew.

yeah, i dont think they put any blame on Hazel.. the interview was based on how he was in the wrong.

You are right but it is a pity that they didn't put any blame on Hazel as she did lead him on a bit. However he was deffo wrong (and an idiot) for showing his aggressive and controlling side and for that BB did right to kick him off the show. I do pity his g/f and any g/f in the future. He really does need to sort himself out.

[south12345]

Some people are certainly reading between the lines.......

[reece(:]

Niamh is spilling the truth tea.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Niamh is spilling the truth tea.

This.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Niamh is spilling the truth tea.

Yas she better preach it.

[Marsh.]

His apology means f all when it contains an "if".

He says he learned and needs help but then continued to blame external influences.

Good luck to him and everything but he'll only get better when he accepts responsibility.

[Jack_]

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

yeah she made it quite obvious she was completely against his behavior with Hazel before tonight, i dont think any of her "takes two to tangle" comments were to do with last night.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Emma hate is a bit OTT, I took the whole 50/50 thing as a reference to the flirting and relationship they had (which I agree with and she has made clear over the past few weeks), not Sunday night's incident

do i need to repeat this or

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

do i need to repeat this or

No it wasn't

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it wasn't

Yes it really was and she has made it clear over the last few weeks she thinks their relationship has been totally 50/50 blame wise (which it has) so this isn't some new turn up for the books omg how could Emma say this

Any reference she made to 'it takes two to tango' about the incident was about the way they were BOTH playfighting initially, which they were

That doesn't mean she's responsible for what happened so I wish some people would stop making out that some people are suggesting this but they were both initially playfighting so I'm pretty sure that's what she meant about them both being involved

Can we also just be clear that the tone of the interview and indeed the questions asked will have largely been up to the producers too, if they wanted her to be all 'URACUNT WHY DID YOU DO THIS' then they'd have said so, it was by no means a perfect interview in the sense that I don't feel as though he answered to everything he could have done but it wasn't a bad interview. I'll just reiterate something I dreaded last night...can you imagine that interview with AJ and Rylan? Paxman isn't into Big Brother so Emma's the best you're gonna get

[Johnnyuk123]

What next? The twins spit roasting Hazel and getting off with a warning?