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ChristmasNeeve · 17-07-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

exactly, very well put and I completely agree

thesheriff443 · 17-07-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

i knew i liked you!

King Gizzard · 17-07-2013, 09:54 AM

Agree in the sense that it wouldn't have happened without her participation, but it's just a fact, that wouldn't have happened if she wasn't there

Jemal · 17-07-2013, 09:55 AM

The guy just said he wanted to sleep lol. And she kept asking for a cuddle and he didnt want to cuddle the bloody Irish girl.. She took hes dam duvet? Imo what Daley did was uncalled for but it does take two to tango. Hazel was provoking a very drunk man who is a lightweight.

But fgs he came on the show, he apologised to anyone he offended. Stop bloody slating and going on about it. Hes faced the consequences and punishment so what else can he do? Just leave it and move on now..

chuff me dizzy · 17-07-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hadouken

The guy just said he wanted to sleep lol. And she kept asking for a cuddle and he didnt want to cuddle the bloody Irish girl.. She took hes dam duvet? Imo what Daley did was uncalled for but it does take two to tango. Hazel was provoking a very drunk man who is a lightweight.

But fgs he came on the show, he apologised to anyone he offended. Stop bloody slating and going on about it. Hes faced the consequences and punishment so what else can he do? Just leave it and move on now..

Well said

ChristmasNeeve · 17-07-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hadouken

The guy just said he wanted to sleep lol. And she kept asking for a cuddle and he didnt want to cuddle the bloody Irish girl.. She took hes dam duvet? Imo what Daley did was uncalled for but it does take two to tango. Hazel was provoking a very drunk man who is a lightweight.

But fgs he came on the show, he apologised to anyone he offended. Stop bloody slating and going on about it. Hes faced the consequences and punishment so what else can he do? Just leave it and move on now..

Why didn't he leave her be in the first place then? BB turned out the lights and closed the shutters for him but he still felt the need to lie to Hazel (who clearly wasn't ready to go to bed and was quite happy outside talking to Charlie) and make her come in and told her to go to bed like a good little girl. He could have slept away and she would never have bothered him if he hadn't insisted she come in

smeagol · 17-07-2013, 09:56 AM

yea 2 to tango lets have a play fight but how does that give right to threaten to headbut and make someone fear for their life , yeah 2 to tango lol wtf

emma didn't just thow hazel under the bus with that interview she got in the bus in the drivers seat and rolled over hazel then reversed and done it again then blamed her for it.

Kazanne · 17-07-2013, 10:00 AM

What is it with these girls giving the men mixed signals,a man will go one way or another,It's not just Hazel who does it either,Actually it's mixed signals for us too,I cant make out whether Charlie likes Dexter or not ,same with Hazel.(and Daley)

17-07-2013, 10:09 AM

I'm genuinely at a loss to understand how anyone can think there is equal blame. This situation could have easily happened after the show, tucked away in a hotel room or a private bedroom somewhere. Imagine how dark this situation could have become then.

It is completely inexcusable. I'm sure if people were watching people they care about in that situation, then their outlooks would be very different. Hazel could be the worst person in the world (which she isn't), but it doesn't give anyone, especially a man, the right to do what he did.

17-07-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

What is it with these girls giving the men mixed signals,a man will go one way or another,It's not just Hazel who does it either,Actually it's mixed signals for us too,I cant make out whether Charlie likes Dexter or not ,same with Hazel.(and Daley)

I don't think it's fair to say Hazel was giving him mixed signals. Her signals were very clearly "it's here on a plate if you want it", and her signals have been like that for a while.

Kazanne · 17-07-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't think it's fair to say Hazel was giving him mixed signals. Her signals were very clearly "it's here on a plate if you want it", and her signals have been like that for a while.

Yes,you have a point but what is it with Charlie with Dexter,I cant work that one out.

Kazanne · 17-07-2013, 10:24 AM

To be fair he was in his bed and when she came in ,she told him to come and give her a cuddle,she could have also left him alone

ChristmasNeeve · 17-07-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

To be fair he was in his bed and when she came in ,she told him to come and give her a cuddle,she could have also left him alone

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

Kizzy · 17-07-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

anne666 · 17-07-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

Why did they let her go in there at all, the raging state he had wound himself into. We all know why.

ChristmasNeeve · 17-07-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

anne666 · 17-07-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

Yes. Some other remarks I think Dan made called him into question.

armand.kay · 17-07-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

This.

Cherry Christmas · 17-07-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

As I said in another thread, I feel BB left it go on far too long before they intervened presumably to get the desired romp under the duvet. They failed in their duty of care to both Housemates and I feel that is why they are pussyfooting around now.

anne666 · 17-07-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

As I said in another thread, I feel BB left it go on far too long before they intervened presumably to get the desired romp under the duvet. They failed in their duty of care to both Housemates and I feel that is why they are pussyfooting around now.

Exactly and I have said the same. Its only about viewing figures nothing more. So called Psychological profiling?? Give me a break !Money and they dont care what emotionally dysfunctional person they use to get it.

anne666 · 17-07-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

Women are property nothing more. The ranting comments , talking to himself ?? the countdown the lying were awful, demeaning and showed exactly how he regards women. His treatment of her in the shower scene were the same. Edited to make it look far more innocent that it was. BB wanted sleaze and it all went badly wrong. Is this the future of this show now?

bez87 · 17-07-2013, 10:24 AM

Are people forgetting how daley had been acting the day before, telling her how he liked the natural look on girls and then demanded that she understood what he ment and that she shouldn't wear make up, then the next day he told her how much she should wear. And the massive fact that hazel was outside chatting and it was daley who called her in and told her to go sleep and be a good little girl :S she was in a giddy mood, she asked him for a cuddle, but it was him who said come over here. yes she nicked his cover, but i would never go as far as, saying that it takes 2 to tango, when they never were tangoing. :S it seemed to me hazel was taking it light hearted because she was drunk to remember and she thought that he was flirting back, but reality was that he was just annoyed and she just wound him up more, not on purpose, but his actions cannot be justified by Emma saying well it takes 2 to tango, outrageous. the fact they never even brought up the fact he said he had a gf then he didn't then they were having problems, then they wasn't together, :S this was never even mentioned.

The crazy thing is, was it me or did he seem like he was off with Hazel, like she was the one who did this to him, has no one told him actually hazel was ok with it all, and was bad that he had left. he does need help tho.

GiRTh · 17-07-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bez87

The crazy thing is, was it me or did he seem like he was off with Hazel, like she was the one who did this to him, has no one told him actually hazel was ok with it all, and was bad that he had left. he does need help tho.

Agree. Instead of apologising to Hazel he took the first opportunity to criticise her.