[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

How sexist.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Women and men are different and women have to accept this. If women want to be seen like men then I suggest they book themselves the same surgery as Chastity Bono.

really?... I hadn't noticed

[Kizzy]

I don't remember any negative connotations being attached to Helen and Pauls blossoming relationship in the house either...

[Roy Mars III]

I think though one of the reasons Hazel got such a negative reaction was because she was already disliked to begin with even before the Daley stuff. The reason that Helen and Paul did not get the negative reaction was because they were likable and they had fans. Hazel never did. She was already disliked so people just piled this on as another reason to dislike. If the same situation would have happen and Hazel was liked and had fans the reaction would be much different

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I think though one of the reasons Hazel got such a negative reaction was because she was already disliked to begin with even before the Daley stuff. The reason that Helen and Paul did not get the negative reaction was because they were likable and they had fans. Hazel never did. She was already disliked so people just piled this on as another reason to dislike. If the same situation would have happen and Hazel was liked and had fans the reaction would be much different

That's a fair point, i still think that women get a rougher deal in these situations then the men do though

[Vicky.]

Helen and Paul is hardly like for like with Daley and Hazel Niamh

Yes, Helen and Daley both had partners, but the behaviors of the pairs were miles apart

I definitely dont blame Hazel for it all (infact I blame her for nothing now, as it seems she thought he was single) but to compare the pretty much softcore porn scenes that we saw with H&D to how Helen and Paul behaved is just ridiculous

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Helen and Paul is hardly like for like with Daley and Hazel Niamh

Yes, Helen and Daley both had partners, but the behaviors of the pairs were miles apart

I definitely dont blame Hazel for it all (infact I blame her for nothing now, as it seems she thought he was single) but to compare the pretty much softcore porn scenes that we saw with H&D to how Helen and Paul behaved is just ridiculous

I'm not comparing the type of relationship though, I'm comparing the fact that both Paul and Hazel are the single "other man/woman"

Cheating is ok, as long as you're both a bit dopey, and like blinking.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not comparing the type of relationship though, I'm comparing the fact that both Paul and Hazel are the single "other man/woman"

But thats where the similarities end. I think the reason Hazel and Daley get/got so much hate is because of how they behaved.

I dont think there would have been as much negativity surrounding it had they not been so..OTT in their lust tbh.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But thats where the similarities end. I think the reason Hazel and Daley get/got so much hate is because of how they behaved.

I dont think there would have been as much negativity surrounding it had they not been so..OTT in their lust tbh.

Don't agree with this. Paul and Helen were all over each other and it was clear - Big G permitting - that the relationship was gonna continue outside. Paul was indeed a home wrecker but that's OK apparently cuz they werent hot and heavy on TV. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Don't agree with this. Paul and Helen were all over each other and it was clear - Big G permitting - that the relationship was gonna continue outside. Paul was indeed a home wrecker but that's OK apparently cuz they werent hot and heavy on TV. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion.

This is double standards...you are saying here Paul was a home wrecker but no one is allowed to say the same about Hazel..

[Vicky.]

BTW, I feel the need to point out that I havent seen any of BB2 and am basing my opinions on what others say. Helen and Paul was a genuine falling for each other thing..not just about lust, and also apparently Paul continually said he wanted nothing to happen until she spoke to her partner?

Thinking aboutit now though, the fact that I havent watched it myself probably means I shouldnt comment on it tbh

[James]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

BTW, I feel the need to point out that I havent seen any of BB2 and am basing my opinions on what others say. Helen and Paul was a genuine falling for each other thing..not just about lust, and also apparently Paul continually said he wanted nothing to happen until she spoke to her partner?

Thinking aboutit now though, the fact that I havent watched it myself probably means I shouldnt comment on it tbh

Yeah, if anything Paul got more criticism for not going ahead and committing to the relationship in the house.

[James]

Helen and Paul got a lot of criticism at the time (online and in the media) - Paul in particular, much more so than Helen. He was portrayed as a 'player'. Helen was seen as quite naive.

The passage of time makes people forget about that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

Helen and Paul got a lot of criticism at the time (online and in the media) - Paul in particular, much more so than Helen. He was portrayed as a 'player'. Helen was seen as quite naive.

The passage of time makes people forget about that.

That's really not how I remembered it at all, although granted I wouldn't have been reading up about it online at all at the stage. I thought it was all very romanticized

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's really not how I remembered it at all, although granted I wouldn't have been reading up about it online at all at the stage. I thought it was all very romanticized

It was romanticised by some people, yes, eg. Davina. But a lot of the online stuff was pretty poisonous at the time. And the media covered Big Brother in a much bigger way back then.

Paul got most of the criticism as I said, but for slightly different reasons than Hazel in the Hazel - Daley situation. Basically, people said - wrongly - he wouldn't be interested in Helen outside of the house.

The likability factor, and how popular she was as a housemate, makes a big difference with Helen when comparing to the situation now. But even then I remember Simon Pegg on BBLB criticising Helen for going after Paul in the house when she had a boyfriend on the outside. So the same issues were spoken about at the time.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

It was romanticised by some people, yes, eg. Davina. But a lot of the online stuff was pretty poisonous at the time. And the media covered Big Brother in a much bigger way back then.

Paul got most of the criticism as I said, but for slightly different reasons than Hazel in the Hazel - Daley situation. Basically, people said - wrongly - he wouldn't be interested in Helen outside of the house.

The likability factor, and how popular she was as a housemate, makes a big difference with Helen when comparing to the situation now. But even then I remember Simon Pegg on BBLB criticising Helen for going after Paul in the house when she had a boyfriend on the outside. So the same issues were spoken about at the time.

hhhmmm maybe by memory is a little hazy then, still though I guess the one thing that is correct is that people weren't annoyed with Paul for being a Home Wrecker like Hazel or more specifically the girl always does in these situations

This reminiscing about BB2 really makes me want to rewatch it, it was such a good Series

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This reminiscing about BB2 really makes me want to rewatch it, it was such a good Series

Yeah, that series is the reason I joined these forums in the first place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

Helen and Paul got a lot of criticism at the time (online and in the media) - Paul in particular, much more so than Helen. He was portrayed as a 'player'. Helen was seen as quite naive.

The passage of time makes people forget about that.

So people made decisions based on how they acted in the house and transferred those to how they responded to the events that followed, and that due to the man being seen a the 'hunter' that seems viable.
So it seems to me that as that was reversed in dazels case, that has coloured the reaction of some?

[Josy]

Having said that though I think it's wrong for to cheat in any way or get with someone that has a partner, so I'm not condoning that in anyway, just don't think these 2 relationships are the best one to compare.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Having said that though I think it's wrong for to cheat in any way or get with someone that has a partner, so I'm not condoning that in anyway, just don't think these 2 relationships are the best one to compare.

The relationships themselves aren't similar for sure, it's just the only other BB relationship I could think of where the man was the "other woman"

[Raph]

Because Helen was lovely and Welsh so it's okay

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Barker

Because Helen was lovely and Welsh so it's okay

In all honesty though I didn't watch enough BB2 to really be able to judge but I guess because Helen was much more likeable and naive as a girl than Hazel is, she didn't get as much slack for it? And Same with Paul versus Daley.

[Roy Mars III]

Helen was stupid and likable = people liked her no matter what

Hazel is unlikable and manipulative = people don't like her

it is as simple as that

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Helen was stupid and likable = people liked her no matter what

Hazel is unlikable and manipulative = people don't like her

it is as simple as that

Yeah this is what I gather