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rusticgal · 28-07-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jegmeister

I hadn't seen any of so-called "cucumbergate" and so was interested to see what happened.

From listening to some people on this Forum, I was expecting a drunken, shouting Charlie to be haranguing Hazel and to have clearly used the Daley situation as a way of showing up Hazel.

But what did we see? A slightly but not really that drunk Charlie make a stupid comment about Daley that she quickly retracted but which Hazel (being the clever and nasty piece of work she is) would not let go. Charlie kept saying she was sorry and retracting it, Hazel kept going on and on and on about it.

Then we hear from Hazel that she did not use the word aggressive when we clearly all heard she did - as Callum correctly confirmed. Now this may seem a storm in a teacup and in fact that is what it should have been.

Instead, Hazel had manipulated a situation to make it about something it wasn't - Daley. If Hazel had not commented at all on that Charlie tongue slip, there would have been no argument, no drama, in fact it would probably not have made the highlights and been forgotten. But by making such an issue of it, Hazel has cleverly turned it into something else - an issue of trust about Charlie, yet again throwing the spotlight away from the elephant in the room. The fact that she has still not properly told the remaining HMs what actually happened with Daley.

One thing is clear - we saw it with Dexter and the vanilla comment and with Callum when he queried her behaviour with Daley. Hazel does not like even the slightest hint of criticism of her behaviour and will become very passive aggressive, staring in a initimidating way at her target.

She is a nasty nasty woman.You have to be quite nasty in dealing with her when she adopts this attitude - give her a few stares back and repeating again and again that she is wrong.

And unfortunately it looks as if the Twitter/Facebook crowd have fallen for her victim approach over this incident when she is in my opinion far from it. Very disappointing.

I totally agree with you on this... it was a drunken accident but Hazel said in the diary room 'I dont THINK it was intentional'....why would she think Charlie would intentionally stick a cucumber in her eye??? Charlie was frustrated that Hazel and Callum called her aggressive....which they both denied initailly BUT they both clearly said it....that was the point she was trying to cover. Hazel made a meal out of it knowing full well it was an accident....which is why Charlie made the Daley comment thinking her wrongful accusations of her being aggressive could well have been similar with what happened with Daley which resulted in his exclusion....remember none of the housemates other than Dan knew the full extent of what happened in the Safehouse that night and have been left to come to their own conclusions without knowing the enormity of it...
Hazel called her 'friend' aggressive and made a deal about it.... Hazel has never divulged details of what happened to her with Daley to Charlie...so Hazel should not jump down Charlies throat at the mention of Daley in the full knowledge that she doesnt know the full story.

Kizzy · 28-07-2013, 10:33 PM

Well I'd rather be one of those than a pissed up gobsh**e...

Beastie · 29-07-2013, 12:18 AM

Hazel is getting too much stick. Charley was drunk and took it too far.

reece(: · 29-07-2013, 12:22 AM

Folk need to stop lambasting poor Hazel because of personal vendettas, it was obvious Charlie would not let it go.

blue · 29-07-2013, 01:04 AM

get that desperate slag out, can't stand her anymore

Emmyasdfghjkl · 29-07-2013, 02:21 AM

Hazel was clearly in the wrong, if anyone was being aggressive it was her!

Jords · 29-07-2013, 02:30 AM

Charlie was only retaliating in the same way as Hazel, but because she was drunk missed and it went in her eye. Hazel blew it into something else by saying she was 'aggressive', Charlie ****ed up again by mentioning 'Daley', Hazel continued to blow it up by thriving off the fact Charlie mentioned 'Daley' and Charlie further continued it by not letting it settle down.

Very annoying (and not to mention boring) argument. Nobody was really in the wrong but Hazel made it more dramatic than it had to be.

megamaja40 · 29-07-2013, 07:19 AM

who is charlie anyway? she never shuts up..goes on and on and ON! her mother was the same she was right and everyone was else was wrong.

Daffodil · 29-07-2013, 07:31 AM

Jegmeister, I agree with absolutely everything you have said. If there is the slightest hint of criticism of Hazel's behaviour (or life), she makes it into a camera-hogging major issue. Charlie is just very naive, like an untrained puppy, hence backalong, her immediate conclusion that Hazel's ex may have committed suicide because they broke up. Charlie also probably thought that it was a sort of compliment to Hazel that anyone should feel so deeply about her. But Hazel made it into an issue. And then had the nerve to summon Charlie (while she sat next to Dan) for a 'forgiving' hug when she had exhausted all avenues of attention over the incident. Cucumbergate is the same. If we haven't seen a hug yet, we will but it will be after this incident has given Hazel major air time.

Seanbon · 29-07-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Daffodil

Jegmeister, I agree with absolutely everything you have said. If there is the slightest hint of criticism of Hazel's behaviour (or life), she makes it into a camera-hogging major issue. Charlie is just very naive, like an untrained puppy, hence backalong, her immediate conclusion that Hazel's ex may have committed suicide because they broke up. Charlie also probably thought that it was a sort of compliment to Hazel that anyone should feel so deeply about her. But Hazel made it into an issue. And then had the nerve to summon Charlie (while she sat next to Dan) for a 'forgiving' hug when she had exhausted all avenues of attention over the incident. Cucumbergate is the same. If we haven't seen a hug yet, we will but it will be after this incident has given Hazel major air time.

No matter how dim Charlie is,I don't think anyone would consider it a compliment that someone committed suicide because of them!!

Niamh. · 29-07-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Seanbon

No matter how dim Charlie is,I don't think anyone would consider it a compliment that someone committed suicide because of them!!

Yeah that's probably the most bizarre excuse for Charlie I've heard yet tbh

Miranda123 · 29-07-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daffodil

Jegmeister, I agree with absolutely everything you have said. If there is the slightest hint of criticism of Hazel's behaviour (or life), she makes it into a camera-hogging major issue. Charlie is just very naive, like an untrained puppy, hence backalong, her immediate conclusion that Hazel's ex may have committed suicide because they broke up. Charlie also probably thought that it was a sort of compliment to Hazel that anyone should feel so deeply about her. But Hazel made it into an issue. And then had the nerve to summon Charlie (while she sat next to Dan) for a 'forgiving' hug when she had exhausted all avenues of attention over the incident. Cucumbergate is the same. If we haven't seen a hug yet, we will but it will be after this incident has given Hazel major air time.

Much as I dislike Hazel (I didnt in the beginning) there is no way any human being would take that kind of remark as a compliment???

Even inhuman Hazel lol

-Sue- · 29-07-2013, 07:40 AM

HAZEL SHUTTIE for crying out loud an accident (cucumber in eye) an 'oops' from charlie about Dailey.. and off hazel goes.. like someone lit the fuse on her tampon!

Get hazel out .. grrrrrrrrrrr

joeysteele · 29-07-2013, 08:38 AM

Charlie was in the wrong completely in my view.
When she is out and watches this back, not only will she see she was wrong and in the things she said as to Daley too but she will hopefully see that drinking too much should be a no go area for her.

She becomes a really awful person with drink, not nice to watch or even be with at all.

Ammi · 29-07-2013, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jegmeister

I hadn't seen any of so-called "cucumbergate" and so was interested to see what happened.

From listening to some people on this Forum, I was expecting a drunken, shouting Charlie to be haranguing Hazel and to have clearly used the Daley situation as a way of showing up Hazel.

But what did we see? A slightly but not really that drunk Charlie make a stupid comment about Daley that she quickly retracted but which Hazel (being the clever and nasty piece of work she is) would not let go. Charlie kept saying she was sorry and retracting it, Hazel kept going on and on and on about it.

Then we hear from Hazel that she did not use the word aggressive when we clearly all heard she did - as Callum correctly confirmed. Now this may seem a storm in a teacup and in fact that is what it should have been.

Instead, Hazel had manipulated a situation to make it about something it wasn't - Daley. If Hazel had not commented at all on that Charlie tongue slip, there would have been no argument, no drama, in fact it would probably not have made the highlights and been forgotten. But by making such an issue of it, Hazel has cleverly turned it into something else - an issue of trust about Charlie, yet again throwing the spotlight away from the elephant in the room. The fact that she has still not properly told the remaining HMs what actually happened with Daley.

One thing is clear - we saw it with Dexter and the vanilla comment and with Callum when he queried her behaviour with Daley. Hazel does not like even the slightest hint of criticism of her behaviour and will become very passive aggressive, staring in a initimidating way at her target.

She is a nasty nasty woman.You have to be quite nasty in dealing with her when she adopts this attitude - give her a few stares back and repeating again and again that she is wrong.

And unfortunately it looks as if the Twitter/Facebook crowd have fallen for her victim approach over this incident when she is in my opinion far from it. Very disappointing.

..I'm not sure how Hazel manipulated that..how could she know that Charlie would compare it in anyway to anything with Daley, the same as when Charlie asked if her boyfriend committed suicide because of her..these things come out of nowhere from Charlie and aren't connected to anything at all...so Hazel should say nothing and let them pass uncommented on..?..these are reactions from Hazel, to things that Charlie has said and anyone would comment on them...

Kris · 29-07-2013, 09:57 AM

Long and short of it is...they were playing, Charlie no different to Hazel. Charlie was in no way aggressive and it was plain stupid for her to even use the word. That word is far overused in that house as means of making other people look bad. Charlie was not that drunk and for Hazel to try and make herself look better by repeating how sober she was and how drunk Charlie was, was just to make Charlie look stupid. If Hazel would have just owned up to saying it and quit trying to make Charlie look stupid then it wouldn't have had to carry on as long as it did.

the truth · 29-07-2013, 01:33 PM

the homewrecker started whole farce as always by trying to ram a cucumber in hazels gob.....im surprised she didn't try to pull her knickers down too....that will probably happen next time....then Charlie will react and hazel will milk it for sympathy

sampvt · 29-07-2013, 02:03 PM

Hazel needs to be adored by men and she has Callum in her sights. Getting Charlie out clears that path. She will throw anyone under a bus to get her goal.

Niamh. · 29-07-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt

Hazel needs to be adored by men and she has Callum in her sights. Getting Charlie out clears that path. She will throw anyone under a bus to get her goal.

Callum? No, I don't think so