[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Well there you are then!

Dexter is an avomination, yes I just invented a word just for him

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by karezza

Everyone is a role model.
You are either a good role model or a bad role model.
Sleazy, pervy Sam is a very bad role model.

I agree with this post. He also has a terrible sense of humor and encourages avoiding socializing/problems by sleeping excessively (which can be an indication of depression, it's true, but isn't in and of itself anything to admire, and it's what he's mostly done in the house).

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

Helen Keller is a role model.
**** off Sam, your time in the house has proved nothing.

That is so desperate its cringeworthy

Probably over 90% of BB viewers have never even heard of Hellen Keller. For crying out loud its like comparing Einstein to Howard Wolowitz. Get a grip.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

My 10 year old cousin is 90% deaf and spits at the tv every time Sam comes on.
She knows hes nothing but a fake, out to exploit his disability and other people with his disability..

I don't think people who spit at TVs should have a say on what role models are either, they're probably looking up to the wrong people to begin with.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Hes just a regular housemate.

Yes he has hearing problems but I don't see that as a characteristic. He has been boring for weeks and only now is he showing he has a personality and even though ive enjoyed him standing up for himself he is a miserable person.

Sam gets away with shouting "Flash your gash for some pie and mash" at the knive throwers in a task but because its Sam its fine.

I think its patronising to him actually for BB not to tell him off for behaviour other housemates would not get away with.

Sam is a product of his society, a typical Welsh Valleys boys boy (actually hes 24 so mans, man).

If he said he wants to be a role model then yeah hes gone the wrong way about it but he may just mean he want people to see that people with certain disabilities can live normal lives to, which in a way does kind of make him a role model but hes opened himself up to more scrutiny by leading with the deaf card.

My behaviour is a million times worse than Sams so....

Then again I wouldn't go in the house and say im going to be a role model for homos and people with epilepsy because then you're expected to act a certain way.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Sam is not a role model here is a example of his sleazy side,

Sam To Knives Assistant 'Flash Your G**h For Free Pie & Mash'

Wolfy on BB Couch Potatoes talking about Sam last Wednesday. Apparently Sam shouted to the Female knive assistant during Gina's task
'Flash Your Gash For Free Pie & Mash'

Hear it here around the 61:00 mark.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/drdetroit/bbuk_2013_wolfy

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Probably over 90% of BB viewers have never even heard of Hellen Keller. For crying out loud its like comparing Einstein to Howard Wolowitz. Get a grip.

Then shame on BB viewers, im sure Sam hasn't even heard of her too.

Loving your "A vote for Sam to win is not a sympathy vote; it's a respect vote" sig.

What is a respect vote then? that's saying we should vote for him because we respect him because of his deafness, that's just as bad as a sympathy vote, and equally a wrong reason to vote for a HM...and im sure in real life Sam or those like him wouldn't want you or anyone else patronising him.

[aman201]

Who the fcuk is Helen Keller?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Come on man, you're implying that Dexter believes Sam is stupid because he's deaf, and has decided that he's going to exploit that for his advantage.

All of this because Dexter paraphrased Sam's comments as "Don't talk to me because Callums left", instead of "Don't feel you need to talk to me because Callums left", or something like that. They're essentially the same thing, the schematics are just slightly different. You're trying to turn this into Dexter taking advantage of Sam because he's deaf and therefore, Dexter must think he's stupid. That's a GIGANTIC reach...

I don't agree with any thread that highlights a person's disability in either a negative..or positive way!...it is callousness personified!
Sam is just Sam!...I really do not think that he has in any way "played on his disability"...so in that respect for me...Sam is a good role model!
...Having said that...I have been saying for seven weeks or so..that "I know that Sam is boring, but I wouldn't mind him winning the dosh because he is a nice genuine 'non-gameplaying lad"!....but for the last couple of weeks...he has given me plenty of reason to doubt that initial assessment of him!...and now i've finally gotten the blinkers off and realised that the boy is not so innocent after all...he knows exactly what the score is, and is [and has been all along] playing a very smart and cunning game!

oh...and by the way...excellent and correct post Matthew!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Im_Juz_ChiLLin

Sam is not a role model here is a example of his sleazy side,

Sam To Knives Assistant 'Flash Your G**h For Free Pie & Mash'

Wolfy on BB Couch Potatoes talking about Sam last Wednesday. Apparently Sam shouted to the Female knive assistant during Gina's task
'Flash Your Gash For Free Pie & Mash'

Hear it here around the 61:00 mark.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/drdetroit/bbuk_2013_wolfy

So what if he said that? Here we have the perfect example of wolfy getting irate about nothing as usual, there may have been instances where she made people cringe?

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by anon01

Who the fcuk is Helen Keller?

http://www.biography.com/people/helen-keller-9361967

Someone who really faced difficulties in her life...Sam doesn't know how lucky he is.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what if he said that? Here we have the perfect example of wolfy getting irate about nothing as usual, there may have been instances where she made people cringe?

They came in to do their jobs, if someone said that in the real world when they went to do their jobs it would have been classed as sexual harrassment and the person who said it would have been sacked on the spot....

[Livia]

LOL @ this thread.

So in conclusion... Sam isn't as worthy a role model and entertaining a housemate as Helen Keller would have been.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL @ this thread.

So in conclusion... Sam isn't as worthy a role model and entertaining a housemate as Helen Keller would have been.

He's not even as worthy a role model as Sophie.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Videostar

http://www.biography.com/people/helen-keller-9361967

Someone who really faced difficulties in her life...Sam doesn't know how lucky he is.

Like I said in a previous post I think he just meant to show the public that even if you have a substantial disability which to be fair he does have then you can still lead a normal life.

Isnt he 80% deaf?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

My 10 year old cousin is 90% deaf and spits at the tv every time Sam comes on.
She knows hes nothing but a fake, out to exploit his disability and other people with his disability..

Spiffing

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Like I said in a previous post I think he just meant to show the public that even if you have a substantial disability which to be fair he does have then you can still lead a normal life.

Isnt he 80% deaf?

And he has shown that, genuinely good for him....but he should still be judged the same as other HM's and not given a free pass for his behaviour, or lack of entertainment value.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Videostar

He's not even as worthy a role model as Sophie.

In your opinion.

Unless you are deaf or suffer hearing loss, I'd say it's not your call as to who is and who isn't a good role model.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Videostar

And he has shown that, genuinely good for him....but he should still be judged the same as other HM's and not given a free pass for his behaviour, or lack of entertainment value.

But that's not his fault.

He cant help how people treat him.

If anything I think its patronising towards the boy to treat him any different as im sure that's the last thing he wants.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Then shame on BB viewers, im sure Sam hasn't even heard of her too.

Loving your "A vote for Sam to win is not a sympathy vote; it's a respect vote" sig.

What is a respect vote then? that's saying we should vote for him because we respect him because of his deafness, that's just as bad as a sympathy vote, and equally a wrong reason to vote for a HM...and im sure in real life Sam or those like him wouldn't want you or anyone else patronising him.

No, I am saying he deserves respect for being able to adapt the way that he has. Give me one reason why I should respect any of the others.

[arista]

[KingOfTheMods]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

No, I am saying he deserves respect for being able to adapt the way that he has. Give me one reason why I should respect any of the others.

What has he adapted too exactly? When he's sat at home with his mam n dad he has the same disability so nowt's changed there. So what has he adapted to in a way none of the others have?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

But that's not his fault.

He cant help how people treat him.

If anything I think its patronising towards the boy to treat him any different as that's the last thing he wants.

Exactly.

[MatthewS]

I'm sure Sam knows who Helen Keller is...

I think most people are aware of her tbh...