[Kyle]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i dont have any anymore as they all back stabiing sleazy lying do gooders lol

Good one my good man, the precious would be proud!

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

You can't stand do gooders? Do you like all your mates to be lying, sleazy backstabbers then?

I think what smeagol is trying to say is that no one can be mr nice 24/7. We are human beings after all and we all carry traits good and bad, to go nine weeks peddling i am a saint and doing it for the kiddies and those with similar problems and i don't know my alphabet by Sam is pushing it. The reality for everyone is that we are all flawed and have good and bad traits but to go on national tv and try to remove negative traits is not endearing to those watching, it is viewed as calculating and a game plan. It is what it is and if Sam just admitted that i would have at least one ounce of respect for him in saying that.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I think what smeagol is trying to say is that no one can be mr nice 24/7. We are human beings after all and we all carry traits good and bad, to go nine weeks peddling i am a saint and doing it for the kiddies and those with similar problems and i don't know my alphabet by Sam is pushing it. The reality for everyone is that we are all flawed and have good and bad traits but to go on national tv and try to remove negative traits is not endearing to those watching, it is viewed as calculating and a game plan. It is what it is and if Sam just admitted that i would have at least one ounce of respect from me for him in saying that.

I don't think he has removed his negative traits we all know what they are enough people have been pointing them out.


What's clear though is that Sam endears himself to a lot of people because although immature at times he is the most well behaved and decent person in there. He is your everyday guy that people up and down this country are or have friends and boyfriends like him.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I don't think he has removed his negative traits we all know what they are enough people have been pointing them out.


What's clear though is that Sam endears himself to a lot of people because although immature at times he is the most well behaved and decent person in there. He is your everyday guy that people up and down this country are or have friends and boyfriends like him.

if thats true no wonder this county is going down hill everybodys friend must be asleep lol

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I don't think he has removed his negative traits we all know what they are enough people have been pointing them out.


What's clear though is that Sam endears himself to a lot of people because although immature at times he is the most well behaved and decent person in there. He is your everyday guy that people up and down this country are or have friends and boyfriends like him.

Sam's biggest problem is not sleeping for most of the day, it is when he is awake and opens his mouth.
Opening night Sams first interaction with Hazel he said.... All i saw was your big boobies.
To the girls on spray tan day: ( i am sorry but i cannot even bring myself to repeat it)
Magic night another comment to the girls to get their kit off.
My winky just expanded to Jemima.
Big boobies.
Watching the girls shower with Callum and sniggering like two school kids looking through the hole in the wall in the girls locker room and many many more on the live feed. All of which ended up on the cutting room floor. Why is anyones guess but those watching the live feed know what i mean.
The bee task they only showed the clean joke and removed the sexist one is also another good example.
Sam often tells others they are rude. He said this to Dexter many times when in reality it is Sam that is the really rude one, he thinks that degrading women on national tv is acceptable behaviour.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I think what smeagol is trying to say is that no one can be mr nice 24/7. We are human beings after all and we all carry traits good and bad, to go nine weeks peddling i am a saint and doing it for the kiddies and those with similar problems and i don't know my alphabet by Sam is pushing it. The reality for everyone is that we are all flawed and have good and bad traits but to go on national tv and try to remove negative traits is not endearing to those watching, it is viewed as calculating and a game plan. It is what it is and if Sam just admitted that i would have at least one ounce of respect from me for him in saying that.

As you have said yourself, he tells corny jokes, swears occasionally, larks about and flirts.
Hardly someone trying to portray themselves as a saint,more .i,e someone acting normal.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by smudgie

As you have said yourself, he tells corny jokes, swears occasionally, larks about and flirts.
Hardly someone trying to portray themselves as a saint,more .i,e someone acting normal.

I dissagree. Simples.

[Josy]

Most kids don't watch BB....

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Josy

Most kids don't watch BB....

They comment on here about it though.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Most kids don't watch BB....

I ruddy hope most kids don't watch BB, any kid of mine wouldn't be thats for sure.

[CaudleHalbard]

His maturity is about 10 years behind his calendar age.

Hardly a role model for kids whether they are deaf or not.

[smudgie]

He is trying to be a role model for the deaf.
Simply by showing he can lead a normal life and do normal things lads of his age do.

Succeeding very well as far as I can see.

He is hardly going in for sainthood.

[honeydew]

Role model model of Winkie Expanding...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by honeydew

Role model model of Winkie Expanding...

See it made you laugh.

[honeydew]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

See it made you laugh.

No it not make me laugh . I was putting the joker , because it was a joke for him to be a role model..

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by honeydew

Role model model of Winkie Expanding...

That's very childish I hope you aren't looking to be a role model for the forum children.....




....like Kazanne

[anne666]

Originally Posted by smudgie

He is trying to be a role model for the deaf.
Simply by showing he can lead a normal life and do normal things lads of his age do.

Succeeding very well as far as I can see.

He is hardly going in for sainthood.

I believe that most people with a hearing impairment are doing normal things. leading normal lives, without being patronised by a fairly ignorant man/boy. He is NOT an inspiration in any way IMO .Role model (doing what exactly)is just a tag to hang on to himself as he has nothing else to offer.

[Cherie]

Shay O' Turkey??... totally off topic sorry.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by anne666

I believe that most people with a hearing impairment are doing normal things. leading normal lives, without being patronised by a fairly ignorant man/boy. He is NOT an inspiration in any way IMO .Role model (doing what exactly)is just a tag to hang on to himself as he has nothing else to offer.

Ok, this is the thing, yes, most deaf people do lead normal lives.
However it is a large amount of people who have normal hearing that do not realise this.
My husband is deaf and I can assure you he does not think Sam is in any way patronising. Quite the opposite.
It is the strangers who first meet him and think because he is deaf that he can't function like the rest of us that are patronising.
This is where I think Sam is a good role model, to show that being deaf does not mean you come from a different planet or that they are stupid.

[Kazanne]

LOLing at the hypocrisy in here taking the moral high ground when stooping to calling HMs Creepy,Norman bates ,phycho etc,WTF,yet they are bemoaning a couple of crude jokes at the same time supporting a self confessed user of women,who swears like trooper and cant seem to tell the truth,infact cant seem to say anything upfront,lol ,We get you dont like 'nice ' people but thank God some of us do.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOLing at the hypocrisy in here taking the moral high ground when stooping to calling HMs Creepy,Norman bates ,phycho etc,WTF,yet they are bemoaning a couple of crude jokes at the same time supporting a self confessed user of women,who swears like trooper and cant seem to tell the truth,infact cant seem to say anything upfront,lol ,We get you dont like 'nice ' people but thank God some of us do.

How does Dexter swear like a trooper? He hardly swears, everyone likes nice people buy Sam isn't as nice as people on here make out.

[smeagol]

if he wanted to be a role model he shouldn't even mention it. just get on with your life be like others. thats what a role model is, thats the whole point surely.
what he is doing is like wolfy did im doin this for the fat kids and unhappy people etc
if he was he'd never mention his problem never say that n just be accepted for his personality
see the person not the disability. unfortuantlu even he cant get that right as he wants to win too much

decent enough guy dont like knocking him but he shouldn't be sayin stuff like that using it to win is no role model

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smeagol

if he wanted to be a role model he shouldn't even mention it. just get on with your life be like others. thats what a role model is, thats the whole point surely.
what he is doing is like wolfy did im doin this for the fat kids and unhappy people etc
if he was he'd never mention his problem never say that n just be accepted for his personality
see the person not the disability. unfortuantlu even he cant get that right as he wants to win too much

From what I can see it is you that keeps bringing his deafness into things,not heard Sam mention it until he's asked about it.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From what I can see it is you that keeps bringing his deafness into things,not heard Sam mention it until he's asked about it.

Aw come off it Kaz...without his impediment, everyone would see Sam as just a slightly childish lazy sod , with a juvenile soh that is just about as exciting as the test card!
...Not particularly nasty, nor overtly annoying ....but nevertheless...unworthy of lasting to the final, let alone winning the damn show!
...And if we were all as honest as we purport to be...then we would declare that his disability does matter to us! And if you deem that enough to want him to win, then that is your choice and I respect your decision! ..I am man enough to admit that that was the road that I was on until a week or so ago...but then changed my mind and now do not believe that it would be right to deprive the real winner of the prize...whomever that would be! [as you know my choice is Dexter, I know that is something that you could never agree with...but I have to say that I also believe that any of the other hm's have contributed a lot more to the series than Sam, and deserve to finish above him! ..[except the twins because they get on my tits! ]

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by smeagol

if he wanted to be a role model he shouldn't even mention it.

Call me cynical here.
But is it any co-incidence if he's mentioning it right NOW before the final ?

For a bloke with supposedly 0 idea what his career path will be, suprised if he hasn't thought about helping and working with kids with hearing difficulties ?

Originally Posted by smeagol

just get on with your life be like others. thats what a role model is, thats the whole point surely.
what he is doing is like wolfy did im doin this for the fat kids and unhappy people etc
if he was he'd never mention his problem never say that n just be accepted for his personality

decent enough guy dont like knocking him but he shouldn't be sayin stuff like that using it to win is no role model

See where you're coming from, it certainly makes you wonder !

Some of the public have objected to the "sympathy" card in voting.

Is Mr "I won't even be up for nomination" now playing the card himself ?!