[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Back on topic everyone, I don't want to have to close the thread

Apologies Niamh.

[Kazanne]

Didn't Courtney do some porn at some point?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't Courtney do some porn at some point?

Jeez I hope not, she's only 18 and she's been married since she was 16 to a pretty wealthy man

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jeez I hope not, she's only 18 and she's been married since she was 16 to a pretty wealthy man

I'm sure I saw or heard somewhere she did a bit,but not 100%,unless it was someone else

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't Courtney do some porn at some point?

No idea, using what she has to earn a living is not a crime. There are men out there stupid enough to line her pockets, so good luck to her.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

No idea, using what she has to earn a living is not a crime. There are men out there stupid enough to line her pockets, so good luck to her.

That is completely at odds with you comments of her being 'innocent'. So now porn stars are innocent. I don't think our definitions of 'innocent' are in tune.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

That is completely at odds with you comments of her being 'innocent'. So now porn stars are innocent. I don't think our definitions of 'innocent' are in tune.

She is not a porn star. Yet more assumptions.

[Northern Monkey]

Charlotte farts.If Courtney farts(which i doubt),It would smell like strawberry Bon Bons and Peaches.When Charlotte farts i would imagine it smells like 4 day old sewage.Charlotte pisses herself and ****s herself.I can't imagine that Courtney even goes to the toilet and if she does she excretes rose petals and fairy dust.

[DanaC]

Ok, I'll bite.

Setting aside the fact that neither of these two young women represent the youth of their country in any real sense: I think Courtney is more worrying than Charlotte.

I like her. She is very sweet. But she plays to the 'little girl' sweetness. The thing with the bunny, the artificially high pitched voice.

I see in her a kind of infantilised sexuality.

Charlotte is coarse. Though much of what she talks about (getting so drunk she pisses herself, or vomits) is not much different to a kind of 'laddishness'. With lads, we roll our eyes and say they'll grow out of it. Boys being boys. It is more shocking when it comes from a young lady.

Now, I see a kind of innocence in Charlotte. More so in some ways than with Courtney, who seems to have a very clear idea of how to use every head tilt, leg lift and giggle to her advantage. But Charlotte is not infantilised, she is just young. And her body is a natural body, over which she has absolute control. Her sexuality is one of self-empowerment, it is not hidden behind pink princess naivety.

Of the two, to me, Courtney seems to represent a form of femininity that is deeply damaging to society. An unnatural physical shape achievable only through radical surgery; a sexuality founded in childlike helplessness.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Ok, I'll bite.

Setting aside the fact that neither of these two young women represent the youth of their country in any real sense: I think Courtney is more worrying than Charlotte.

I like her. She is very sweet. But she plays to the 'little girl' sweetness. The thing with the bunny, the artificially high pitched voice.

I see in her a kind of infantilised sexuality.

Charlotte is coarse. Though much of what she talks about (getting so drunk she pisses herself, or vomits) is not much different to a kind of 'laddishness'. With lads, we roll our eyes and say they'll grow out of it. Boys being boys. It is more shocking when it comes from a young lady.

Now, I see a kind of innocence in Charlotte. More so in some ways than with Courtney, who seems to have a very clear idea of how to use every head tilt, leg lift and giggle to her advantage. But Charlotte is not infantilised, she is just young. And her body is a natural body, over which she has absolute control. Her sexuality is one of self-empowerment, it is not hidden behind pink princess naivety.

Of the two, to me, Courtney seems to represent a form of femininity that is deeply damaging to society. An unnatural physical shape achievable only through radical surgery; a sexuality founded in childlike helplessness.

I maybe wrong, but are you suggesting that she is pandering to paedophilic ideals that are upheld by the male race?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I maybe wrong, but are you suggesting that she is pandering to paedophilic ideals that are upheld by the male race?

Incidentally, I think this points to a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of what is meant by the term patriarchy.

Men do not create the world for women. We, men and women, create the world for ourselves and each other. We are also created by that world. It is not a case of what men to do to women. But what we do to ourselves.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Incidentally, I think this points to a fairly fundamental misunderstanding of what is meant by the term patriarchy.

Men do not create the world for women. We, men and women, create the world for ourselves and each other. We are also created by that world. It is not a case of what men to do to women. But what we do to ourselves.

I'm not quite sure what that has to do with anything I have said, but ok. I took issue with your use of the word infantilised. Which to me, is you suggesting that anybody who doesnt like the kind of woman Charlotte is, is mentally damaged in such a way that they can only be around women who they can feel superior to.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I maybe wrong, but are you suggesting that she is pandering to paedophilic ideals that are upheld by the male race?

Male race? What is that supposed to mean?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

Male race? What is that supposed to mean?

Haha!We Males are the master race!lol

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

Male race? What is that supposed to mean?

Case in point.

[Ammi]

..I really don't see any comparison between Charlotte and Courtney to say that one is a 'good person' and one is a 'bad person' because neither or 'typical' representatives of young people in general but in a completely different way...

..I would be devastated if my daughter used language/behaved like Charlotte did but I would be equally devastated if she was married at 16yrs to a guy almost three times her age and had surgery to her body by 18yrs when she was a totally beautiful girl in the first place..I do see in Charlotte a nice person as well though, as I do with Courtney...what she does/how she behaves doesn't hurt society, it only hurts herself in what people think of her because of it...

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Case in point.

How, exactly?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Ok, I'll bite.

Setting aside the fact that neither of these two young women represent the youth of their country in any real sense: I think Courtney is more worrying than Charlotte.

I like her. She is very sweet. But she plays to the 'little girl' sweetness. The thing with the bunny, the artificially high pitched voice.

I see in her a kind of infantilised sexuality.

Charlotte is coarse. Though much of what she talks about (getting so drunk she pisses herself, or vomits) is not much different to a kind of 'laddishness'. With lads, we roll our eyes and say they'll grow out of it. Boys being boys. It is more shocking when it comes from a young lady.

Now, I see a kind of innocence in Charlotte. More so in some ways than with Courtney, who seems to have a very clear idea of how to use every head tilt, leg lift and giggle to her advantage. But Charlotte is not infantilised, she is just young. And her body is a natural body, over which she has absolute control. Her sexuality is one of self-empowerment, it is not hidden behind pink princess naivety.

Of the two, to me, Courtney seems to represent a form of femininity that is deeply damaging to society. An unnatural physical shape achievable only through radical surgery; a sexuality founded in childlike helplessness.

Great post again Dana, I agree, eventhough I quite like Courtney, I do think it's awful that she felt the need to do what she's done to her body at such a young age and also her marrying so young to an old man, with, preumably her parents consent? It's quite sad

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Great post again Dana, I agree, eventhough I quite like Courtney, I do think it's awful that she felt the need to do what she's done to her body at such a young age and also her marrying so young to an old man, with, preumably her parents consent? It's quite sad

I feel bad for her. I think she is another example of the price of fame. Her and her parents. You can't get married here intill you are 18 unless your parents okay it. No matter what she may have felt at the time, you can't make a decision like that at 16 IMO.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I feel bad for her. I think she is another example of the price of fame. Her and her parents. You can't get married here intill you are 18 unless your parents okay it. No matter what she may have felt at the time, you can't make a decision like that at 16 IMO.

absolutely agree, what kind of parents think A - It's a good idea for their 16 year old to get married at all but B- to a 50 year old man?? That's pretty sickening if you ask me

[DanaC]

No. I am saying she falls into an ages old cultural pattern. It is no accident that the holy book of Christianity has its messiah born to a virgin girl.

Female sexuality has been a source of unease for our culture for a very, very long time. Infantilising femininity makes it less dangerous and threatening.

Not just our culture. Plenty of cultures remove adulthood from female sexuality. Footbinding in China was from the basic desire.

[thediaryroomchair]

Some of the youth in Britain today behave appallingly and have no respect for themselves and for their elders. I have a younger sister and she is an absolute credit, she worked hard in her GCSEs and BTEC and does not answer back and is very career minded. Unlike some I see in my local town who insult me for the team I support using four letter expletives to boot.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by thediaryroomchair

Some of the youth in Britain today behave appallingly and have no respect for themselves and for their elders. I have a younger sister and she is an absolute credit, she worked hard in her GCSEs and BTEC and does not answer back and is very career minded. Unlike some I see in my local town who insult me for the team I support using four letter expletives to boot.

And so it has always been. yea, even unto the middle ages. And further back in fact.

For as long as people have written down their thoughts on the world, there have been people writing complaints about the 'youth of today'.

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

Socrates [469BC-399BC]

[Kazanne]

It's probably stories like this that has fuelled some speculation,it's bliddy Louies fault for saying "She's so porn" lol
http://new-magazine.co.uk/posts/view...-X-rated-past-

[DanaC]

No, that's really not what I meant, CH.



The tradition of infantilised female sexuality is a very long one. In Christian cultures we have a strange dichotomy of respect for motherhood and disdain for female sexuality: Mary is both a mother (good) and a virgin (good). She is innocence and motherhood combined.