[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by erinp5

I am no fan of Ron's but I hate when a Hm plays the race ,creed, sexuality card. Pisses me right off.

Same goes for playing the sympathy card for ailments like on civilian BB. Totally shamefull.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Same goes for playing the sympathy card for ailments like on civilian BB. Totally shamefull.

youre saying a deaf person shouldn't mention being deaf in 12 weeks on a 24 hour a day tv show?

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre saying a deaf person shouldn't mention being deaf in 12 weeks on a 24 hour a day tv show?

Well yeah, she should tell people about it otherwise you would never know...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Well yeah, she should tell people about it otherwise you would never know...

she? sam was a man?

[Johnnyuk123]

The BBOTS crowd are so biased towards Ron. If an ex burgler who served 9 yrs in prison got released and then went in the BB house does that automatically mean people should shout get them out the house before they steal from someone?

[Lozzibear]

I think that happens all too often...

Whether it be due to a persons sexual orientation, colour of their skin, religion, country they come from... it isn't often someone can just dislike them because they are damn annoying. I have a friend who is of a certain religion, and well... she is an annoying person. She is loud, rude, abrasive... I am used to it because I have known her since I was 8 but it puts a lot of people off... but no, when people dislike her, it always has to be due to racism! No, it isn't, it is because she is a difficult person to be around. I would find Lauren hard to be around myself, she seems to be far too attention seeking for my liking... and a big baby to boot.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Lozzibear

I think that happens all too often...

Whether it be due to a persons sexual orientation, colour of their skin, religion, country they come from... it isn't often someone can just dislike them because they are damn annoying. I have a friend who is of a certain religion, and well... she is an annoying person. She is loud, rude, abrasive... I am used to it because I have known her since I was 8 but it puts a lot of people off... but no, when people dislike her, it always has to be due to racism! No, it isn't, it is because she is a difficult person to be around. I would find Lauren hard to be around myself, she seems to be far too attention seeking for my liking... and a big baby to boot.

yes and we have idiot politicians who create laws to support this self pitying attention seeking agends for idiots looking for arguments. they pass these nonsensical values and laws onto judges, cops and lawyers , hence we end up in this basket case of a country...where serious things are ignored but 1 word taken the wrong way can lead to 100,000s worth of mindless litigation

[Johnnyuk123]

If we look at the bigger picture of things Lauren is actually more of an english rose than cheryl no talent rose tattooed cole.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If we look at the bigger picture of things Lauren is actually more of an english rose than cheryl no talent rose tattooed cole.

What in the living hell has Cheryl cole got to do with this?

[Johnnyuk123]

Tiny willy was my first thought, second thought was lance that bum boil.

[Johnnyuk123]

Emma so wants to do him. lol

[Jack_]

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

Transgender or not Lauren will be bullied for being odd.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

Transgender or not Lauren will be bullied for being odd.

Being bullied can also make people 'odd' though, I've seen it happen. Which actually turns it into a vicious circle.

[Pincho Paxton]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Being bullied can also make people 'odd' though, I've seen it happen. Which actually turns it into a vicious circle.

Well, yes that's true.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

its totally wrong. but he can be labelled a bigot for no reason but I cant suggest on here that the types of people who support charlotte may be workless chavs? radical liberalism creates a society where only certain groups of people can be criticized.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

Well if they were perfectly aware they'd understand that as I said from Lauren's perspective having endured years of people judging her and taking a dislike to her because she is transgender, that it's a natural assumption for her to make that if somebody new dislikes her it's because they disagree with who she is. Almost as if that kind of mentality is conditioned to her because that's what she has experienced for so long. Like, people need to understand that. Yes it might be unfair but after what she's been through I think it's understandable and that she can't really help but feel like that since that's all she knows.

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't question Ron's mentality because there's alarm bells going off constantly for me, but I don't disagree she would be difficult to live with, I'm just saying people need to understand that from her perspective it would be natural to assume that someone would dislike her because she's transgender...if that's basically the reason she's been given half of her life what else would she know?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well if they were perfectly aware they'd understand that as I said from Lauren's perspective having endured years of people judging her and taking a dislike to her because she is transgender, that it's a natural assumption for her to make that if somebody new dislikes her it's because they disagree with who she is. Almost as if that kind of mentality is conditioned to her because that's what she has experienced for so long. Like, people need to understand that. Yes it might be unfair but after what she's been through I think it's understandable and that she can't really help but feel like that since that's all she knows.

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't question Ron's mentality because there's alarm bells going off constantly for me, but I don't disagree she would be difficult to live with, I'm just saying people need to understand that from her perspective it would be natural to assume that someone would dislike her because she's transgender...if that's basically the reason she's been given half of her life what else would she know?

Its not a natural assumption to jump to at all. Espcially as she gave no real back up reasons for this pretty heinous accusation. I think she mentioned his age as a reason why she figured hed be bigoted against her. which ironically is a little bigotted too. I respect the fact shes been through hell and highwater to have a sex change. I also respect the fact she has probably been bullied like hell. But its wrong to jump to conclusions like that and she should be told that. for her own sake and for rons sake. it will be interesting to see how this develops if there is no more to this story than meets the eye....lets see if ron does have an issue, bbut lets see too if lauren has issues with older people

[MeMyselfAndI]

The way she said it, it looked like she only wanted to say 'I don't think Ron is comfortable with my presence' and then Big Brother must have asked her to elaborate on this point, and then she said 'he may be transphobic'. It looked edited too me anyway

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

The way she said it, it looked like she only wanted to say 'I don't think Ron is comfortable with my presence' and then Big Brother must have asked her to elaborate on this point, and then she said 'he may be transphobic'. It looked edited too me anyway

I got the impression that had been pushed for by BB too.

I think Jack makes some good points about the effect of past bullying on expectations of certain attitudes in others. Given that Ron seems to epitomise a certain kind of culture and generation, and one which is unlikely to have been particularly accepting of someone like Lauren, there may be an assumption of transphobia.

I don't get the impression he's being transphobic, though. Having seen how little awareness he seems to have about his comments around race I'm pretty sure he'd have said something Godawful by now, if that was his problem with her.

Of course, we can't see everything in the BB house. There maybe subtle cues that she is seeing and we aren't. But...I just don't get that impression of Ron from the way he interacts with her. I get more of a sense of that (just a sense, nothing specific that's been said) from Bruce.

It's possible he doesn't quite know what to think of her. It's possible he doesn't quite get the transgender thing. Not getting something, not really understanding what it truly means and even being mildly suspicious of that state of being, is not the same as being transphobic.

If anything he seems to have made an effort to get to know her.

But if she is essentially expecting him to be hostile on those grounds, then maybe she is misreading a wholly different unease.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Rons proven to stereotype people and to act biggotted, so It's not exactly shocking that she may think hes transphobic tbh

[Pincho Paxton]

She massaged his feet, he seemed OK about that.

[Lord Of The Garden]

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Lauren is an interesting housemate and i have enjoyed much about her over the series.

But she really went down in my estimations tonight.

I thought it was a very low blow for her to suggest Ron was transphobic, it's an unfair and quite serious accusation to make of him and only after he suggested nominating her - she had never said it before then.

Worst of all - she made the accusation but with nothing at all to back it up !

I mean - quite the opposite appears true. He seems like he makes a lot of effort with her. He even had her massaging his feet the other night. Hardly the behaviour of someone who felt prejudice towards her!

Fair enough, she didn't like the fact he suggested nominating her. Like Danielle, she is obviously someone who takes nominations far too personally.

Interesting that she got the most noms tonight and judging by the other HMs reasons for nominating her, it seems she is quite self centred and inconsiderate of others which i hadn't realised. I mean, for Charlotte to complain about Lauren's dirty habits - it must be bad!

It's one thing to be messy and inconsiderate of others. Another to take it badly if HMs nominate you. But if and when they do - there's no need to resort to accusations of bigotry and prejudice for it, to Ron or any other housemate.

I thought that she was above resorting to that level of unfounded accusation, especially over noms, which are simply part of the game. She knew Ron had a label of prejudice hanging over him him when he entered the house and it felt like she played to that unfairly and it was a cheap thing to do.

[MrWong]

Ron's bigoted and xenophobic.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was transphobic too.