[Livia]

I don't understand why Brits, seemingly more than most other people, have this strange relationship with alcohol. People have to go out and drink until their incapable, they don't seem to be able to have a few drinks and enjoy an evening, they have to get mangled. It's embarrassing to see the state of some people, fighting, throwing up, young women making themselves vulnerable... Something has to be done rather than allowing the madness to continue.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't understand why Brits, seemingly more than most other people, have this strange relationship with alcohol. People have to go out and drink until their incapable, they don't seem to be able to have a few drinks and enjoy an evening, they have to get mangled. It's embarrassing to see the state of some people, fighting, throwing up, young women making themselves vulnerable... Something has to be done rather than allowing the madness to continue.

I agree.

Personally I think it's because there's simply not much for people here to do. I noticed this when in America... You can go to the movies (it's so much cheaper), go roller skating, there's tons of youth centres with all kinds of activities, parks (again if only we had better weather here), malls, shopping centres... So much more.

I mean sure there are some parts of the UK where they have all of that. It would be interesting to see what the underage/of age results would be like compared to areas where there's literally nothing.

Kinda off topic, but I think the main age group responsible for this is the 18 - 25 year olds. Any older and you should know better IMO

[Kizzy]

Again under 25's it is suggested are in some way feeble minded, is this ok with all you 'yoofs'? I'm stunned haha.
Over 25's open bars, they sell drinks for 50p just watched a prog called 'bouncers' where 40 somethings in Newcastle have to shepherd those who fall out of these bars into waiting cabs....
How ethical is it to open a bar selling alcohol for 50p, are they not feeding this drink to excess problem?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again under 25's it is suggested are in some way feeble minded, is this ok with all you 'yoofs'? I'm stunned haha.
Over 25's open bars, they sell drinks for 50p just watched a prog called 'bouncers' where 40 somethings in Newcastle have to shepherd those who fall out of these bars into waiting cabs....
How ethical is it to open a bar selling alcohol for 50p, are they not feeding this drink to excess problem?

Hmm. I know not of these places where its that cheap. Get the name?

[Ninastar]

as an under 25 yoof i 100% think it's the under 25 year olds who are mainly to blame.

not saying there's not 1 person over 25 that has to get ridiculously drunk. Just saying that i think in general its the teenagers.

[Kizzy]

No, and as your auntie kizz I forbid you to go

[Vicky.]

Going out round newcastle for gavs birthday next saturday. Could save a few bob

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Going out round newcastle for gavs birthday next saturday. Could save a few bob

Well I don't want to see you on the next episode of bouncers sat on the kerb throwing up ok!?

[Nedusa]

I think it's a very good idea albeit in the short term as inner city binge drinking amongst 18 - 25 year olds has become a massive problem and is costing the taxpayer millions in policing and A&E costs.

I think it's time to fight this culture and anyone who is arrested as "drunk and incapable" should be sent to one of these units where they can be monitored by medical staff BUT the price for their actions is a stiff bill for £300 or £400 . This will be legally enforceable and hopefully would make these idiots think twice about repeating this type of ridiculous behaviour.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think it's a very good idea albeit in the short term as inner city binge drinking amongst 18 - 25 year olds has become a massive problem and is costing the taxpayer millions in policing and A&E costs.

I think it's time to fight this culture and anyone who is arrested as "drunk and incapable" should be sent to one of these units where they can be monitored by medical staff BUT the price for their actions is a stiff bill for £300 or £400 . This will be legally enforceable and hopefully would make these idiots think twice about repeating this type of ridiculous behaviour.

It isn't exclusive to 18-25yr olds... and it's always been a problem, it's not a new thing.
What about the idiots that sell it ridiculously cheaply or the legislation that allows it to continue 24hrs a day?
Taking responsibility for yourself is a cop out, especially when you have people who suggest it's impossible for some to do this as their brains are not fully functioning?..

[Livia]

People need to take responsibility for themselves. That's the bottom line.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

People need to take responsibility for themselves. That's the bottom line.

Bang On Right Livia

[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

People need to take responsibility for themselves. That's the bottom line.

They don't though. Most people who can't handle their drink have an uncanny ability to convert shame into a hilarious story and don't learn their lesson.

A drunk tank would be a hell hole but it's a huge strain on police resources so I agree with what's been said in this thread, something needs to be done... perhaps rather than outsourcing this to a private company, there needs to be a new judicial branch created for this specific problem. It's an epidemic in the UK. You go out on any night of the week in any major city centre and you will see obscenely drunk people from any time between 11pm-5am. That in itself isn't even the worst problem, the worst part is that there are people who can't handle being drunk. The quantity isn't the problem; their response is the problem. I know men and women who get aggressive on two drinks. People who burst into tears and cause drama after a couple of spirits. It's insane.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zee

They don't though. Most people who can't handle their drink have an uncanny ability to convert shame into a hilarious story and don't learn their lesson.

A drunk tank would be a hell hole but it's a huge strain on police resources so I agree with what's been said in this thread, something needs to be done... perhaps rather than outsourcing this to a private company, there needs to be a new judicial branch created for this specific problem. It's an epidemic in the UK. You go out on any night of the week in any major city centre and you will see obscenely drunk people from any time between 11pm-5am. That in itself isn't even the worst problem, the worst part is that there are people who can't handle being drunk. The quantity isn't the problem; their response is the problem. I know men and women who get aggressive on two drinks. People who burst into tears and cause drama after a couple of spirits. It's insane.

Sadly, there's barely enough cash to fund more important things than rounding up the drunk and incapable. If they're going to use public funds for this something else will have to suffer. I guess that's why the report says "police back" the idea. What a degrading and pointless part of their job it must be dealing with these people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

They don't though. Most people who can't handle their drink have an uncanny ability to convert shame into a hilarious story and don't learn their lesson.

A drunk tank would be a hell hole but it's a huge strain on police resources so I agree with what's been said in this thread, something needs to be done... perhaps rather than outsourcing this to a private company, there needs to be a new judicial branch created for this specific problem. It's an epidemic in the UK. You go out on any night of the week in any major city centre and you will see obscenely drunk people from any time between 11pm-5am. That in itself isn't even the worst problem, the worst part is that there are people who can't handle being drunk. The quantity isn't the problem; their response is the problem. I know men and women who get aggressive on two drinks. People who burst into tears and cause drama after a couple of spirits. It's insane.

There are 1000's of things that can and will go wrong here, 'police backed' or not it is not ethical.
The proceeds of crime Act could and should be freed up for this. Why is this not being put forward as a solution?

[Cherie]

A lot of good points made on this thread, whilst on the surface this does seem like a good idea, it needs alot of work to make it viable.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Cherie

A lot of good points made on this thread, whilst on the surface this does seem like a good idea, it needs alot of work to make it viable.

I agree. But I think this is something that needs to be done. If not locking people away in cells, something else needs to be done. I personally am all for the idea, but again, i can see why people wont be.

i think there's a huge difference between the people who go out and get drunk on a fun night out, then those who regularly (not always) drink way too much, become aggressive and cause crap between innocent people. If you cannot control your limit, then you shouldn't go out. Or be prepared to face the consequences. I agree with Livia 100% on that one.

People should know when to go home. There's a limit.

[Livia]

Other countries seem to cope with cheap booze and long opening hours without a percentage of the population turning into drunken louts. How come the people in this country need special treatment because they can't control themselves from drinking to excess? Throw them in the drunk tank, then fine them. Motorists who break the law are fined all the time, I don't see why fining drunks is so unappealing. A night in the tank and a big fine may be just the thing they need to bump them into the real world.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Other countries seem to cope with cheap booze and long opening hours without a percentage of the population turning into drunken louts. How come the people in this country need special treatment because they can't control themselves from drinking to excess? Throw them in the drunk tank, then fine them. Motorists who break the law are fined all the time, I don't see why fining drunks is so unappealing. A night in the tank and a big fine may be just the thing they need to bump them into the real world.

I agree, it's the same over here. If nothing else taking drunk and disorderly people off the street might prevent vandalism and drunken fights/attacks from occurring.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree, it's the same over here. If nothing else taking drunk and disorderly people off the street might prevent vandalism and drunken fights/attacks from occurring.

Exactly. Banging them up lessens the risk of innocent people becoming embroiled in their madness or of having their property destroyed. It might also mean that some of them might not run the risk of being assaulted, robbed, raped and a variety of other crimes. Do I want the police to waste time and resources on these people? Absolutely not. I'm happy for a private company to be paid to take these people off the street. Private companies make money from parking fines, why not from the drunken, least responsible people in society? People moan when they get fined for parking in the wrong place, but the answer is simple... don't park illegally. Same with the drunks; you don't want to spend a night in the tank and cop a fine? Then take some responsibility for yourself and don't get so drunk you don't know what you're doing.

[Kizzy]

We are not other countries....
As said the issues we had with alcohol were already established as being a problem, so why introduce 'cafe culture' to Blackpool or Bradford?
Motorists are fined as is the law, it is not private enterprise and therefore not even remotely similar.
Yes that will teach them to straighten up and fly right a £400 fine into some shareholders back pocket.

[anne666]

I'm all for fining drunks , I would make them clean up any mess they make before they can leave also. Solely legally speaking why has it come to this? Is it all a failing on the part of the police to reinforce the law? Or as I said before is it so out of hand now they can't man the situation ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anne666

Is this all a failing on the part of the police to reinforce the law?

It's totally laughable, you have a person incapacitated on the floor.. Who decides wheter they go to the police station, the hospital or the 'tank'...
Do they check their credit rating or their blood alcohol levels?

[Kizzy]

So anyone who is considered 'drunk' is now the scourge of society?
Move over lone parents and benefit claimants your time in the media spotlight is over, there's a new folk devil in town.

[Tom4784]

Having it privately run is a terrible idea as it would be completely abused by the companies running it, Having fun with your friends? that could be construed as disorderly so give us £400. Had a few to drink at the pub? You might hurt yourself walking home so give us £400 quid to sort you out. ETC ETC.

I think it's a decent idea but not if it's privately owned.