[arista]

OK
Respect to you Vicky

[Cherie]

I really can't understand why they continue to give benefit to people who have paid nothing into the system and just arrived in the country, surely stopping this would be a better start and easier to enforce.

[Kizzy]

What a whitewash!
They go to Wales of all places where unemployment is double, decimated by the loss of coal and steel industry, and interview a kid and an old woman....how is that a stratified sample?
Rubbish! bit surprised at C4 news there.

[Vicky.]

Sad reality of this...

[joeysteele]

I have watched this today and very sadly, being the 2nd last conference before the general election,all I am seeing are Ministers who have learned nothing and clearly listened to no one at all.
Not a single sign of any compassion coming into play at all and George Osborne has to be the most ridiculous speech maker possible.

The 'work' programme for those long term unemployed must be going to add to the welfare bill and also halt in some cases, possible jobs being filled by using the cheaper way as to the unemployed for some things to be done by them.
There will surely have to be extra paid to them to cover expenses at the very least and for me it is an admission of failure as to their already worn out and poor attempts at getting people into work.
Sadly,pathetic Osborne just doesn't seem to get it, people cannot get into work when there are not the vacancies, so stop punishing them for business and Govt failures.

I really also had to switch off finally when Theresa May was on, what utter tripe this woman talks, she is the most useless Home secrertary we have likely ever had.
I am for one,really glad that my back is now firmly turned against this Govt. I would feel shame if I was still a supporter of them.
Awful and opinionated with no real credible policies left,even daring to have to admit that it will take another term to sort the Country out.
That was what they said in 2010 that they needed a full term to sort the deficit out.
In other words then, we have hardly progressed at all since 2010 despite all their policies.

Also finally, if the economic recovery is starting to really get going, it is in my view, despite this Govt. not because of it.

[King Gizzard]

Agree with what most have said, the most annoying thing is that it's another cheap gimmick to win votes just as the porn filter thing was. Both very easy targets for easy votes

Why is this their main plan when JSA only accounts for 3% of all benefits/welfare? It's just so cheap and easy to pick on the long term unemployed. We all know it's the banks that need sorting out but most of Tory funding comes from that so they'll just pick on the NHS and the welfare state

I don't even have political allegiances but the Tories properly **** me off

[Nedusa]

I hear that the Tories are going to force the long term unemployed to do work so they can earn their benefit ...??? They are going to force these people either to sign on every day or pick up litter clean the riverbanks etc.

This is so spiteful it almost beggars belief, the only group of people who have to carry out this sort of work are convicted criminals doing community service, so now the long term unemployed are being criminalised...!!!

There must be a more constructive way to help the LT unemployed not to just humiliate them in this way. The Tory party can rot and burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, a party of the rich for the rich, while the rest of us can just go and fcuk ourselves...!!!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I hear that the Tories are going to force the long term unemployed to do work so they can earn their benefit ...??? They are going to force these people either to sign on every day or pick up litter clean the riverbanks etc.

This is so spiteful it almost beggars belief, the only group of people who have to carry out this sort of work are convicted criminals doing community service, so now the long term unemployed are being criminalised...!!!

There must be a more constructive way to help the LT unemployed not to just humiliate them in this way. The Tory party can rot and burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, a party of the rich for the rich, while the rest of us can just go and fcuk ourselves...!!!

There are better ways to help the long term unemployed,you are so right Nedusa.
Sadly I believe now this Govt just looks for ways to suppress, humiliate and blame the weakest in society for all the ills the Country has and is setting out to make them pay more for those ills than those who are much stronger and able to.

Every policy now has no compassion whatsoever and is just anothjer blow from a sledgehammer to theose weakest and poorest.
A total disgrace and more shame on the Lib Dems for allowing this to happen too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I hear that the Tories are going to force the long term unemployed to do work so they can earn their benefit ...??? They are going to force these people either to sign on every day or pick up litter clean the riverbanks etc.

This is so spiteful it almost beggars belief, the only group of people who have to carry out this sort of work are convicted criminals doing community service, so now the long term unemployed are being criminalised...!!!

There must be a more constructive way to help the LT unemployed not to just humiliate them in this way. The Tory party can rot and burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, a party of the rich for the rich, while the rest of us can just go and fcuk ourselves...!!!

That's not true that the only group of people to do this kind of work are those on community payback, there have always been street/parks/waterway cleaners and litter pickers.
It's a dirty, thankless and sometimes dangerous job but it's a necessary one and one worthy of a decent wage.
What is happening is effectively the deconstruction of the 'ordered society' that was the dream of post war Britain. It's going back to enslaving the impoverished masses to the landowners and greedy landlords.
Rats on a wheel going nowhere, slowly.

[Vicky.]

A better way of helping the unemployed get back into work is to allow them to do (relevant) training courses.

A friend of mine has been laid off quite recently. He has been unemployed for about 6 months and tbh I dont see him getting a job in the near future, despite trying. He asked if he could go on a college course to better his chances of finding work as he has no proper qualifications or anything(wanted to do bricklaying/plumbing/a decent trade). He was told if he did, his money would be stopped as being on the course would mean he couldn't look for work enough. Yet working 30 hours a week for free...is fine?

He kept pushing for this course mind. And they have now sent him on one of those useless CV courses instead. That helps noone and just wastes time :S

In short, a 20 hour a week college course would mean he wasnt entitled to JSA as he couldn't look for work, despite it bettering his job prospects. But a 30 hour a week CV building course (when it takes about an hour to do a CV) is fine. And apparently fulltime workfare or this new idea would be fine too.

Something massively wrong with that IMO.

And honestly, I wouldnt bother with the long term unemployed who dont want to work. Why stress about them when there are millions of unemployed who DO want to work? I know its wrong to think like that, but we will never have 100% employment, or even close.

[arista]

Boris Johnson is Live on TV News

[arista]

For Vicky , Kizzy and Jesus

[Kizzy]

I don't get it, what is that?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't get it, what is that?

Steve Bell the artists
view of yesterdays speech
from the Guardian Paper.



its dark humor.

[Kizzy]

Very good, what does it mean then?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Very good, what does it mean then?

"George Osborne used his speech at the 2013
Conservative party conference to announce
that a Tory government would seek to run
an overall budget surplus by 2020"


http://www.theguardian.com/cartoons/archive




A Cartoon Vision of the Future

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sad reality of this...

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I hear that the Tories are going to force the long term unemployed to do work so they can earn their benefit ...??? They are going to force these people either to sign on every day or pick up litter clean the riverbanks etc.

This is so spiteful it almost beggars belief, the only group of people who have to carry out this sort of work are convicted criminals doing community service, so now the long term unemployed are being criminalised...!!!

There must be a more constructive way to help the LT unemployed not to just humiliate them in this way. The Tory party can rot and burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, a party of the rich for the rich, while the rest of us can just go and fcuk ourselves...!!!

..it isn’t though Nedussa, for me Vicky’s post sums it up perfectly because there are two lots of ‘victims’ here...people are employed to clear river banks, pick up litter etc and probably don’t get paid very much at all and may hate what they’re doing for all we know but have no choice but to do it with financial commitments etc...and for me there are two issues I have with that..one is that..(and no offense..) ..they are seeing and hearing words like ‘humiliating, degrading..etc’ attached to the job that they are doing, which is as valid and necessary as any other job...so how worthless does that make them feel...they don’t deserve to have what they do described as humiliating etc or ‘less than..’..so for me that is an issue....


..but also to add to that feeling of low self-worth that the criticism of this could cause them...they have to face fears that they won’t even have that job at all but will lose it because of the scheme and then themselves be someone having to claim benefits and as Vicky’s post so rightly says, end up doing the same job again just to receive their benefits which is less than their present wage....just crazy really...a screwed up ‘solution’ because it’s no solution at all...but I do think that the unemployed aren’t the only victims here because some people might feel that they would rather do any job than claim benefits and yet being forced to claim benefits is exactly what the result might be...targeting people on a low wage to help people on no wage can’t ever be a solution or one that should even be considered at all....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it isn’t though Nedussa, for me Vicky’s post sums it up perfectly because there are two lots of ‘victims’ here...people are employed to clear river banks, pick up litter etc and probably don’t get paid very much at all and may hate what they’re doing for all we know but have no choice but to do it with financial commitments etc...and for me there are two issues I have with that..one is that..(and no offense..) ..they are seeing and hearing words like ‘humiliating, degrading..etc’ attached to the job that they are doing, which is as valid and necessary as any other job...so how worthless does that make them feel...they don’t deserve to have what they do described as humiliating etc or ‘less than..’..so for me that is an issue....

To be fair, I don't think people think doing the job for a fair wage is what's degrading or humiliating, it's being dressed up in a high visibility jacket and sent out to do it for the equivalent of £2.50 an hour that's degrading. Pretty much any job paying £2.50 an hour is degrading.

Also the people doing this job currently aren't even particularly low earners in most areas. They'll for the mostpart be council employees, and can be earning £10 - £12 or more per hour (as well as getting double time Sundays, paid bank holidays off, all the other things that anyone in the private sector saw sailing off into the sunset years ago). That's not to say that they shouldn't be earning that wage; it's a FAIR wage, and one that means that these men probably have financial commitments that won't easily be covered if they lose that job, even if they DO find another full time job - because the replacement will no doubt be minimum-wage slog that barely covers the combined cost of housing, council tax and utility bills.

[arista]

Boris Backs Jamie Oliver's Work Ethic Concerns


http://news.sky.com/story/1148738/bo...ethic-concerns

[joeysteele]

I couldn't take Boris seriously at all at the conference today, in fact it was as if he was drunk.
Just rambling on and on with utter nonsense.

This is actually a very poor conference.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I couldn't take Boris seriously at all at the conference today, in fact it was as if he was drunk.
Just rambling on and on with utter nonsense.

This is actually a very poor conference.

Todays was Great
attacks on fecking Labour
who left no money for the UK.


And not one word about UKIP



Well Done PM

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Todays was Great
attacks on fecking Labour
who left no money for the UK.


And not one word about UKIP



Well Done PM

Labour must have left quite a bit of money really since this Govt has been able to squander so much on NHS across the board reforms, pay ATOS massive amounts to re-assess benefit claimants, continue to add to overseas aid and also to find vast sums for the involvement of the UK in Libya.

No doubt they would be able to have found a great deal more for any conflict as to Syria too had they got their way on that one too.

So it seems the coffers weren't bare after all and that was a 'con'.
They really must think the voters are thick.

[Vicky.]

****ing LOL at this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-working.html

Surely even IDS cant be THAT stupid?!

[King Gizzard]

Job seekers doss about...job seekers secretly get paid for cash in hand jobs...which is it!?

would love to know how they see this is logistically possible/viable..they're going to need more JC's and ALOT more staff

Idiots

[Kizzy]

Is this what is eating that 550M they have 'reserved'?
Jeeeeze....