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joeysteele · 02-10-2013, 12:18 PM

They're on about things he said and wrote when he was 17, well after that time he fought for Britain in the Royal Navy for goodness sake.

I am now only 21 but I said a lot of things different when I was 17 just a few years ago as to what I already stand for now.

The use of the grave too online was to my mind a disgrace as to any decency whatsoever. All of it to me is completely indefensible.
I'd say that too no matter who The Daily Mail had done this with.

arista · 02-10-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

They're on about things he said and wrote when he was 17, well after that time he fought for Britain in the Royal Navy for goodness sake.

I am now only 21 but I said a lot of things different when I was 17 just a few years ago as to what I already stand for now.

The use of the grave too online was to my mind a disgrace as to any decency whatsoever. All of it to me is completely indefensible.
I'd say that too no matter who The Daily Mail had done this with.

Yes they are on about that time
But that is Their Right.

Ed used his dad in his speech

Fair Game Joey

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Kizzy · 02-10-2013, 12:48 PM

If that was his experience of the British as a frightened refugee it says more about us than him..
He was there and shared in the joy of the 1945 election watching as we became industrial leaders...what happened?
The conservatives happened.

Kizzy · 02-10-2013, 01:47 PM

That is not fair game at all, yes he said his father was an influence whos wasn't? To use that to assasinate a dead mans character is low.
All to discredit the Labour party, it is worse than spin, it is lies and defamation.
Maybe the mail is more right wing than we think?
Rather unnerving the ferocity of the attack, the mention of 'nazism' but said without the undertone the term 'socialist' had...
There is something sinister here, the son of a Jewish refugee to be PM?
Odd..very odd.

Livia · 02-10-2013, 01:51 PM

I wonder if this thread would read the same if a newspaper had made the same attack on Cameron's father. Probably not...

joeysteele · 02-10-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder if this thread would read the same if a newspaper had made the same attack on Cameron's father. Probably not...

For me 100% it certainly would,no probably about it for me. I would be as strong in defending David Cameron or any public figure as to this as I am for Ed Milband.
I also dare bet had the Mail done this against David Cameron's Father,others enjoying this lack of decency and respect for a dead man from the Mail would have been up in arms as I and others are for Ed Miliband on this one.

Thankfully even David Cameron to his full credit, has said he would be doing exactly the same as Ed Miliband if anyone had said anything about his deceased Father too.
I believe anyone would and know for sure, anyone saying anything about my Dad,even when alive,I would be at them all the time.

Kizzy · 02-10-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder if this thread would read the same if a newspaper had made the same attack on Cameron's father. Probably not...

Supposition.

Vicky. · 02-10-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder if this thread would read the same if a newspaper had made the same attack on Cameron's father. Probably not...

I like to think most people would defend whoever was defending their dead father against a story like this tbh.

Not everything is about which political party you support(for people besides arista)

joeysteele · 02-10-2013, 01:52 PM

I disagree arista.
He used his Dad in his speeches to use as the example of what he has become and how his life was shaped.
It does not mean that he would follow things his Dad said when he was 17.

Fair game you say, fair game is saying something that someone you are saying it about has the chance to fight back.
There nothing fair game in doing this to a man now deceased and who cannot answer back himself.
Nothing fair in that whatsoever in any meaning of the word.

The man fled to this Country, brought up family here, served in the armed forces for Britain during the war, committed no criminal acts and now has 2 sons who achieved fairly high political office.
They are not the actions of someone who hated Britain, maybe he would have liked to have things another way as to society,that doesn't mean he hated this Nation and it is even more ridiculous to try to taint his son in any way because of that either.

My Father was until recently a strong Conservative,I was until 18 but I am not now, my shaping of how I think and feel as to life and politics too, comes from learning from my own Dad and how I was brought up but then totally making my own mind up.
Tony Blair for instance too, his Dad was a Conservative, he became Labour.

It is shocking that a paper can get away with this,to set out to discredit a dead man with the headline, 'he hated Britain', which is clearly nonsense and even likely slander too.
To then however try to discredit his Son because of that is really the lowest of the low.

Had this been David Cameron getting this from the Mail, you arista would likely be going mad about it.
I believe in fair play all the way, this though is a million miles away from fair play or even any decency.

If you arista can defend them on this one,well that is your right I guess but I for one, for sure, if I had any power, I would rid this Country of filth like this paper once and for all.
I doubt the Daily Mail has any single idea as to what fair game or play is in anything.

arista · 02-10-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I disagree arista.
He used his Dad in his speeches to use as the example of what he has become and how his life was shaped.
It does not mean that he would follow things his Dad said when he was 17.

Fair game you say, fair game is saying something that someone you are saying it about has the chance to fight back.
There nothing fair game in doing this to a man now deceased and who cannot answer back himself.
Nothing fair in that whatsoever in any meaning of the word.

The man fled to this Country, brought up family here, served in the armed forces for Britain during the war, committed no criminal acts and now has 2 sons who achieved fairly high political office.
They are not the actions of someone who hated Britain, maybe he would have liked to have things another way as to society,that doesn't mean he hated this Nation and it is even more ridiculous to try to taint his son in any way because of that either.

My Father was until recently a strong Conservative,I was until 18 but I am not now, my shaping of how I think and feel as to life and politics too, comes from learning from my own Dad and how I was brought up but then totally making my own mind up.
Tony Blair for instance too, his Dad was a Conservative, he became Labour.

It is shocking that a paper can get away with this,to set out to discredit a dead man with the headline, 'he hated Britain', which is clearly nonsense and even likely slander too.
To then however try to discredit his Son because of that is really the lowest of the low.

Had this been David Cameron getting this from the Mail, you arista would likely be going mad about it.
I believe in fair play all the way, this though is a million miles away from fair play or even any decency.

If you arista can defend them on this one,well that is your right I guess but I for one, for sure, if I had any power, I would rid this Country of filth like this paper once and for all.
I doubt the Daily Mail has any single idea as to what fair game or play is in anything.

Yes that is Fair.

The DM is taking a political side
I can understand this.

Just as the Daily Mirror
attacks the PM.

joeysteele · 02-10-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes that is Fair.

The DM is taking a political side
I can understand this.

Just as the Daily Mirror
attacks the PM.

I don't agree with the Daily Mirror anyway,in fact I hardly look it.
The only paper I really like is The Independent.

I haven't though seen this kind of disrespect for politicians deceased family members plastered all over the front pages of the Daily Mirror with the rotten headlines the Mail has as to Ed Miliband's Dad.

Taking a political side by setting out to discredit and hammer a deceased man who was never actually a UK politician anyway, well that is a political side no one in my view, should want to be on.
I certainly wouldn't be and am not.

Kizzy · 02-10-2013, 10:17 PM

On newsnight now, funnily the royal charter for press regulation is being finalised next week...

arista · 04-10-2013, 01:36 PM

Last Nights
Question time had Q.Letts from the DM
he pointed out how Ed's Marxist Dad
wrote he wanted England to loose the Falklands War.

Scum Marxist

joeysteele · 04-10-2013, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Last Nights
Question time had Q.Letts from the DM
he pointed out how Ed's Marxist Dad
wrote he wanted England to loose the Falklands War.

Scum Marxist

My Dad,who I was chatting too about this was a strong Conservative but he felt there shouldn't have been a war over the Falklands,he felt we should negotiate them back to Argentina.
He said he knew loads of people who felt that way at the time and since then too.
They don't in any way hate Britain though because they think that way.

Kizzy · 04-10-2013, 10:07 PM

Proof?

arista · 05-10-2013, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Proof?

Its in his (Ed's dads) book.
Fact

Kizzy · 05-10-2013, 10:29 AM

Depends on your perception, personally I think thatcher taking us to war on principle was wrong.
She is a war criminal in the eyes of many, that does not make them scum...

arista · 05-10-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Depends on your perception, personally I think thatcher taking us to war on principle was wrong.
She is a war criminal in the eyes of many, that does not make them scum...

The Falklands is British
everyone backed the war
after the Punk Argies invaded