[King Gizzard]

To the judges/Simon/executives it's not a singing competition It's who will sell the most outside of the show, Sam won't, Tamera will

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes but that doesnt matter. The singoff is just a safety net for the judges/simons favs

Sam B will never be in the bottom two anyway.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It's a bit obvious

[alex_front2]

Agree with Girth, Tamera (and maybe luke) sells in us , others won't work in us.

[Shaun]

I think Tamera would survive against any of them except Sam Bailey and Rough Copy.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But Sam B is a better singer.

When has that ever mattered? This is X Factor.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

When has that ever mattered? This is X Factor.

I think she would beat Tamera in a sing off hands down.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think she would beat Tamera in a sing off hands down.

Sam is a better singer but Tamera has that marketability.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Sam is a better singer but Tamera has that marketability.

True.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think she would beat Tamera in a sing off hands down.

Nope Tamera will stay over Sam b. Simon will see to that, in fact he'd welcome these 2 in bottom 2 as it would be a legit excuse to ditch sam, he couldnt ditch her against sam c, abi or
Hannah.
Sam b is a perfectly polite happily married mid 30s mother of 2. Not in the "sexy" beyonce or aguilera mould but mumsy, just not marketable. In a world of rihanna instagramming her vagina and miley bragging about an*l sex, sam b will struggle to get any attention.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Agree with Girth, Tamera (and maybe luke) sells in us , others won't work in us.

Actually I'm not sure about this. You saw how Mary J Blige went crazy for Hannah. Hannah has the soul that Americans like. Tamera is just another pretty face that can sing a note, how many of those are manufactured per year and hardly last. Hannah has something IMO.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Actually I'm not sure about this. You saw how Mary J Blige went crazy for Hannah. Hannah has the soul that Americans like. Tamera is just another pretty face that can sing a note, how many of those are manufactured per year and hardly last. Hannah has something IMO.

From what I've sen Hannahs performances start off good but fall away. She has talent but needs a lot of coaching.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Tamera for reasons similar to what is imlied in this Guardian blog article

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...darker-skinned

well this is not a new problem, it has been going on for years. The difference is now dark men are glorified called sex god ( Idris) and dark women are called gargoyles and those dark men are siding more with the media rather then their race. So basically the black girls feel it more now because we are alone. where as before we could take the insults about our huge lips and noses as a united race

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Actually I'm not sure about this. You saw how Mary J Blige went crazy for Hannah. Hannah has the soul that Americans like. Tamera is just another pretty face that can sing a note, how many of those are manufactured per year and hardly last. Hannah has something IMO.

As I posted in previous article, sadly Hannah is too " black" to even crack US now (and im a black female), its all mixed girls beyonce, emeli s, ciara, rihanna etc or white girls like miley, iggy azealia, katy b, adele who can sing urban/ black genres.

[Apple202]

Obv Tamera

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

From what I've sen Hannahs performances start off good but fall away. She has talent but needs a lot of coaching.

I'll admit that she does but with the right coaching and songs, I think she could go far in America. Maybe estelle can mentor her

[joeysteele]

I think between Hanna and Tamera the judges would save Tamera.

Should Sam C be in the sing off then no matter who was there with him, Nicole and Gary would 100% vote for him to go out,even if he performed brilliantly and whoever else was against him forgot their words even.
I even suspect Sharon would too although she may help send it to deadlock to aid Louis.

I just haven't a clue how the votes may go this week, it really likely depends on which of the older songs the younger voting viewers took to most.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

As I posted in previous article, sadly Hannah is too " black" to even crack US now (and im a black female), its all mixed girls beyonce, emeli s, ciara, rihanna etc or white girls like miley, iggy azealia, katy b, adele who can sing urban/ black genres.

Unfortunately this is also true. Saying Tamera is more 'marketable' is just a polite way of saying it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

As I posted in previous article, sadly Hannah is too " black" to even crack US now (and im a black female), its all mixed girls beyonce, emeli s, ciara, rihanna etc or white girls like miley, iggy azealia, katy b, adele who can sing urban/ black genres.

I had to google Katy B. But yeah I am not arguing with this, it's been going on for years.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

well this is not a new problem, it has been going on for years. The difference is now dark men are glorified called sex god ( Idris) and dark women are called gargoyles and those dark men are siding more with the media rather then their race. So basically the black girls feel it more now because we are alone. where as before we could take the insults about our huge lips and noses as a united race

No, you're right it's not new but it's become worse. The fact is whites rarely sang r n b or soul in 1960s or rap years ago now they are dominating these genres in 2013. Biggest r nb singers in 2013 - robin thicke, justin timberlake, and rap acts macklemore, and iggy azealia. The media only cared about twerking as miley cyrus did it. Black women are no longer needed.

When film execs were discussing making a posthumous film about whitney houston apparently an executive asked about the viability of getting a white actress to play her.

Why have hannah when you can have a "cute" white soul or urban girl like adele, iggy azealia, katy b or joss stone. Mixed women are acceptable as the people who own media and labels often find them attactive, dark skinned women, not so much. Tennis star Serena Williams is one of the greatest players yet blond Sharipova gets $9m a year more in sponsorships. The only other ueber famous " black black " women are Oprah (she'd never be a star now starting in 2013), Michelle Obama, and Oscar winner/ singer Jennifer Hudson. Kelly Roland ( or Michelle Williams ) was never going to be as huge as Beyonce. Sese Foster (pregnant one) in Miss Dynamix has loads of charisma but imo was only going ever going to be a marketable proposition in being in a group with 2 lighter skinned black girls, she auditioned with 2 white guys so even she knows the score. Will.I.Am admitted that when Black Eye Peas were scouting for a female vocalist a white female was the most viable option.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

No, you're right it's not new but it's become worse. The fact is whites rarely sang r n b or soul in 1960s or rap years ago now they are dominating these genres in 2013. Biggest r nb singers in 2013 - robin thicke, justin timberlake, and rap acts macklemore, and iggy azealia. The media only cared about twerking as miley cyrus did it. Black women are no longer needed. Why have hannah when you can have a "cute" white soul or urban girl like adele, iggy azealia, katy b or joss stone. Mixed women are acceptable as the people who own media and labels often find them attactive, dark skinned women, not so much. Tennis star Serena Williams is one of the greatest players yet blond Sharipova gets $9m a year more in sponsorships. The only other ueber famous " black black " women are Oprah (she'd never be a star now starting in 2013), Michelle Obama, and Oscar winner/ singer Jennifer Hudson

Well Miss Obama gets her fair share of abuse and monkey face photoshopped images while Obama is of course wubbed. sigh.

Sidebar:Sharapova sucks,all she's good for is shrieking. Long live serena. A lot of people know she's the greatest of this decade.

"Will.I.Am admitted that when Black Eye Peas were scouting for a female vocalist a white female was the most viable option."
course I've said this before. They were only known by hardcore rnb'ers until they put fergie in then it was all about fergie

[alex_front2]

And Michelle Obama is only known due to marriage regardless that she's very smart, smarter than her hubby imho. If she had stood for election she'd be destroyed, sadly.

It saddens me that when Wozniacki mocked Serena's figure it gotvso much praise. Julianna Hough Dancer woman got away with blacking up as a black tv character for Hallooween. Sums things up how pathtic it's now.

Anyway good luck to hannah, but I think she'll be misha b #2 but with dimishing returns.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

And Michelle Obama is only known due to marriage regardless that she's very smart, smarter than her hubby imho. If she had stood for election she'd be destroyed, sadly.

It saddens me that when Wozniacki mocked Serena's figure it gotvso much praise. Julianna Hough Dancer woman got away with blacking up as a black tv character for Hallooween. Sums things up how pathtic it's now.

Anyway good luck to hannah, but I think she'll be misha b #2 but with dimishing returns.

Well regarding figures here's how it goes-we got the I like big butts ridicule song for years, then Jennifer lopez came with a big butt OH WE LIKEY IT'S BEAUTIFUL IT'S AMAZEBALLS-KIM KARDASHIAN OH DOUBLE AMAZEBALLS!! This can go on all night

Yes good luck to Hanna. To be honest wouldn't mind Sam Bailey winning.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Well regarding figures here's how it goes-we got the I like big butts ridicule song for years, then Jennifer lopez came with a big butt OH WE LIKEY IT'S BEAUTIFUL IT'S AMAZEBALLS-KIM KARDASHIAN OH DOUBLE AMAZEBALLS!! This can go on all night

Yes good luck to Hanna. To be honest wouldn't mind Sam Bailey winning.

Excellent point.

[alex_front2]

Ithinkiloveyou, katy b is on xtra factor tonight btw.