[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

there are a heck of a lot of unanswered questions with this case, and all my instincts tell me (and have done since it happened) that Kate and Gerry McCann are involved right up to their eyeballs.

Agree 100%.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

there are a heck of a lot of unanswered questions with this case, and all my instincts tell me (and have done since it happened) that Kate and Gerry McCann are involved right up to their eyeballs.

That is a ridiculous and unfounded allegation - for it to be true you would have to have 2 psychopathic people married to each other and that is beyond far fetched

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

That is a ridiculous and unfounded allegation - for it to be true you would have to have 2 psychopathic people married to each other and that is beyond far fetched

Or two completely self-interested people who thought nothing could touch their wonderful lives, and when it did, didn't want anything to besmirch their reputations...

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

That is a ridiculous and unfounded allegation - for it to be true you would have to have 2 psychopathic people married to each other and that is beyond far fetched

Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr. (ok they weren't wed but were couples).

I rest my case.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr. (ok they weren't wed but were couples).

I rest my case.

Don't forget Fred and Rose West :P

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Don't forget Fred and Rose West :P

again see my post above

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr. (ok they weren't wed but were couples).

I rest my case.

Hardly comparable - look at their backgrounds and the fact they were not married and did not have exemplary employment records. Both examples were caught relatively easily due to their stupidity and condition.

( I was kind of hoping for Bonnie and Clyde)

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Hardly comparable - look at their backgrounds and the fact they were not married and did not have exemplary employment records. Both examples were caught relatively easily due to their stupidity and condition.

( I was kind of hoping for Bonnie and Clyde)

Oh, it's comparable. Just a little more scary when it is an intelligent couple who are much less likely to be accused.

Personally, I don't think they are psychopaths, I don't even think they killed her (directly). I think they are self-obsessed as per my post above. Something happened while they were out, most plausible being Madeleine fell and died, and because the children were sedated, they were terrified they would be blamed (as indeed, largely, they are.) I don't know of anyone that believes the intruder theory.

[Marsh.]

I think on the Crime Watch show they mentioned something about leaving it unlocked in case there was a fire.

Bit of an odd decision to make when you're leaving very young children on their own anyway.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I think on the Crime Watch show they mentioned something about leaving it unlocked in case there was a fire.

Bit of an odd decision to make when you're leaving very young children on their own anyway.

Well yeah exactly, I mean how would the two babies in cots get out of their cots in the first place to get to the door? And 2 and 3 year olds are more likely to search for their parents in the apartment rather than try to get out the front door

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I think on the Crime Watch show they mentioned something about leaving it unlocked in case there was a fire.

Bit of an odd decision to make when you're leaving very young children on their own anyway.

Totally. As Niamh said, the babies wouldn't be able to get out anyway.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I don't think they're psychopathic killers like the examples given but I think it's possible that she died accidentally and they covered it up for some reason or another

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think they're psychopathic killers like the examples given but I think it's possible that she died accidentally and they covered it up for some reason or another

Its too far fetched to think it would not have come out by now. There is nothing in their behavior pre or post that would suggest this

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Its too far fetched to think it would not have come out by now. There is nothing in their behavior pre or post that would suggest this

Catweazel (and welcome, btw )

Do you think they are at least guilty of child neglect?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Catweazel (and welcome, btw )

Do you think they are at least guilty of child neglect?

Not on the slightest no

(and you could allege that at every new parent at some point)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Not on the slightest no

(and you could allege that at every new parent at some point)

Eh? I know no new parents who leave their kids indoors alone (with doors unlocked too) so they can go out eating and drinking with friends quite a distance away?

I understand the views of those who think the parents are innocent of anything dodgy. But to deny they were neglectful at all that night..well, I have never heard that one before.

It's just impossible to cover something like this up, and the evidence of their involvement doesn't exist.


It might be worth merging this with the other massive thread, so any of the newer posters can see how these arguments have played out before?

The Portuguese were desperate for it to be them, and they couldn't pin a damn thing on them. That for me, is evidence enough. They were completely negligent as parents the night she disappeared, but if it was any of your family members, you'd all be going up the wall at the instinctive knowledge that people have. Innocent until proven guilty, and there isn't any evidence to charge them with, let alone convict them.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

It's just impossible to cover something like this up, and the evidence of their involvement doesn't exist.


It might be worth merging this with the other massive thread, so any of the newer posters can see how these arguments have played out before?

The Portuguese were desperate for it to be them, and they couldn't pin a damn thing on them. That for me, is evidence enough. They were completely negligent as parents the night she disappeared, but if it was any of your family members, you'd all be going up the wall at the instinctive knowledge that people have. Innocent until proven guilty, and there isn't any evidence to charge them with, let alone convict them.

I avoid this discussion 100% now but I agree with you completely

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

It's just impossible to cover something like this up, and the evidence of their involvement doesn't exist.


It might be worth merging this with the other massive thread, so any of the newer posters can see how these arguments have played out before?

The Portuguese were desperate for it to be them, and they couldn't pin a damn thing on them. That for me, is evidence enough. They were completely negligent as parents the night she disappeared, but if it was any of your family members, you'd all be going up the wall at the instinctive knowledge that people have. Innocent until proven guilty, and there isn't any evidence to charge them with, let alone convict them.

Really Jesus ,you really need to look deep into this case,or not post on it

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Really Jesus ,you really need to look deep into this case,or not post on it

Chuff - we've danced this dance before and neither of us have got anywhere with the other one. The approach you admitted to taking in the previous thread was nothing short of mind-blowingly inappropriate (that's me trying my best to be really polite). I looked through those links about cadaver and all that stuff you provided, but 30 seconds on google reveals it was nowhere near as cast iron as you and a bunch of others have convinced yourselves it is/was.

I also find your continued arrogance on this subject revealing. You have too much invested in this case to let it go. If no further evidence is brought up from now until the time you leave this earth, you'll still be convinced. If there is evidence brought up that proves them guilty of anything other than being irresponsible, then I'd accept it. I'm not part of any internet groups that try and push a certain agenda. There is a stark difference in the way both of us view/approach this case.

I think, and this is a compliment here, most people are so kind, and geared towards the protection of children, that even just leaving them alone as the McCanns' and friends did that night, seems so negligent to most of us, that people can't accept that's where their involvement ends.

I have no idea whether I'm right or wrong, I just know that I don't know. And if I don't know, then you can't know either.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Chuff - we've danced this dance before and neither of us have got anywhere with the other one. The approach you admitted to taking in the previous thread was nothing short of mind-blowingly inappropriate (that's me trying my best to be really polite). I looked through those links about cadaver and all that stuff you provided, but 30 seconds on google reveals it was nowhere near as cast iron as you and a bunch of others have convinced yourselves it is/was.

I also find your continued arrogance on this subject revealing. You have too much invested in this case to let it go. If no further evidence is brought up from now until the time you leave this earth, you'll still be convinced. If there is evidence brought up that proves them guilty of anything other than being irresponsible, then I'd accept it. I'm not part of any internet groups that try and push a certain agenda. There is a stark difference in the way both of us view/approach this case.

I think, and this is a compliment here, most people are so kind, and geared towards the protection of children, that even just leaving them alone as the McCanns' and friends did that night, seems so negligent to most of us, that people can't accept that's where their involvement ends.

I have no idea whether I'm right or wrong, I just know that I don't know. And if I don't know, then you can't know either.

YOu of all people have the cheek to call ME arrogant ? that takes the biscuit, but I see with your very limited knowledge of this case, you have fallen for the "children left alone"lie, the children were NEVER left alone until that final night, but by then Maddie was already dead, that night was done to give them alibis,and so if McCann admitted neglect, they could then claim abduction ,without that they could not ,education is a wonderful thing ,try it

[Jezzy]

Haha, jinx Niamh :P

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Its too far fetched to think it would not have come out by now. There is nothing in their behavior pre or post that would suggest this

It's not that far fetched and there's plenty been said about their behaviour that didn't seem right

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Haha, jinx Niamh :P

lol

[Vicky.]

To solve this case,they need to take a proper look at the parents and the actions of their friends that night. Not run scared of the press who tend to go mental at the slightest mention that mr and mrs angelic could have anything to do with it.

[Vicky.]

And burglars dont steal children whilst leaving valuables in the apartment untouched.