[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't see how that is comparable, Saville went his whole life sexually abusing dozens of young kids and got away with it, it's something that's only very recently come to light

So in 20 years we will be able to forgive him? Yeah right.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

So in 20 years we will be able to forgive him? Yeah right.

Again that's missing the point that Saville got away with everything he did and never repented for it, Jim has held his hands up to what he did, admitted he's had a lot of demons and has tried to fight them

Plus what Saville did is obviously on another level

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't see how that is comparable, Saville went his whole life sexually abusing dozens of young kids and got away with it, it's something that's only very recently come to light

He's dead though and people are still going on about it, that's not very forgiving.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

He's dead though and people are still going on about it, that's not very forgiving.

Why would anyone forgive a man who never had to face up to what he had done

[Z]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

We do?

Nobody knew about that until after he'd died - he managed to have a long media career despite the fact some people knew about his crimes but they were kept hushed up, so yeah, I'd say we do. People forgave Michael Barrymore when he was on CBB even though a guy died at his house and was found in his swimming pool; why shouldn't Jim be afforded the same chance? Either he blows it and everyone who said he was a horrible wife beater was right; or he proves himself to be different to what the public imagined and he's allowed to move past it. The fact he's admitted to what he did in the past surely shows some growth in him as a person? Acceptance is the key...

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Thankfully as a country we tend not to eternally hold things against people that they did a good twenty years ago. Jim has been the first to admit in there on day 1 or 2 that he has had plenty of demons in his life, at that time he also spent years fighting alcoholism, why should we drag those things back up in order to judge him as a housemate?

Oh please you supported Conor

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Oh please you supported Conor

What's that got to do with anything

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What's that got to do with anything

it implies delusion
could you justify Conor's behaviour?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Salman!

it implies delusion
could you justify Conor's behaviour?

Nah still don't see the relevance

[Apple202]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Oh please you supported Conor

[Z]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

And yet he has all this support? Honestly, I don't get it. The amount of times I see people stand up for women and domestic abuse and so many now support him.

I can't speak for anyone else but the reasons I like Jim are as follows:

1) I've never been into Celebrity Big Brother before, ever, so I've never had any kind of pre-house opinions of housemates to go on because I've never watched Celebrity Big Brother. On that basis, I just decided to judge the housemates as if they were normal people.

2) Most of the housemates revealed themselves to be deluded, despicable people within the first few days. Casey/Lee/Jasmine is pathetic to watch. Luisa's full of herself, bitchy and a cry baby. Evander had all sorts of insane Bible belt views. Dappy's been overtly sexist and horrible. Linda's been trying to provoke Jim into exploding which makes her look bad, not him. Lionel's been two faced and gotten into a few arguments. Liz, Ollie and Sam have remained in the background so it's been impossible to have an opinion of them either way. Jim is the only housemate in there who has been involved in the house without actually doing anything actively mean to anyone else in the house. By default, I like him more than I like most of the others. Plenty of others have had the same response; only they've chosen to support Liz, Ollie and/or Sam because by default they like them more than the others. For me, I like Jim the most because he's been entertaining without being nasty to anyone else.

3) Even though I have this prior perception of him and he himself has admitted to being a wife beater - I appreciate his honesty on that matter and I'd rather have my eyes opened to what a person is really like by observing them interact with other people, rather than relying on printed word one sided interpretations of them. I don't want to instantly judge someone and write them off without giving them a chance. I was put off him a bit when he admitted to Luisa that he's not been himself in the house; but I can only judge by what I've seen and because all of the other housemates have been either totally forgettable, not contributing anything; or they've been outright awful in the house, Jim by default is my favourite.

[Patricia4]

He is just great, not interested in his past its now and in BB he's good.

[coolface]

the best hm

[Northern Monkey]

This just seems like an attack on anyone who supports Jim tbh.If you don't like him then just don't vote to save him.Who other people support is their own business,It's one thing to have an opinion of a house mate but to accuse people who like him in the house as supporting domestic violence is just plain wrong.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This just seems like an attack on anyone who supports Jim tbh.If you don't like him then just don't vote to save him.Who other people support is their own business,It's one thing to have an opinion of a house mate but to accuse people who like him in the house as supporting domestic violence is just plain wrong.

I'm asking why people support him. No attack, I just don't understand.

[Z]

Sometimes I speak/post and I wonder if I'm invisible

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zee

Sometimes I speak/post and I wonder if I'm invisible

I appreciate your posts Zee, we just seem to be talking in one liners here atm and your posts don't meet that criteria

[Z]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I appreciate your posts Zee, we just seem to be talking in one liners here atm and your posts don't meet that criteria

I'm so wordy when it comes to debates, I can't keep things to less than at least one paragraph...

[sampvt]

Benjamin, did Jim really beat his wife, please tell us more, sounds like groundbreaking stuff to me.

[Black Dagger]

What, who said that? I thought I heard something.

[Haylei]

Question: was Jim ever punished for it? Besides media backlash.

[Kazanne]

I found this so far they were married TEN years so obviously they got on at some point
Jim Davidson




is facing a pounds 2million bill from his fourth divorce.

Tracy Hilton is formally ending their ten-year marriage after the comic admitted cheating on her with busty



TV hostess Debbie Corrigan.

The settlement will be Davidson's most expensive yet, and will almost certainly mean him losing his new pounds 1.4million Surrey mansion.

Ex-model Tracy, 31, is currently staying at the house with their three children. The couple bought the pad last year, with Jim telling friends it was the perfect home to restart their marriage.

Tracy, whose mother, Margaret, lives in a "granny cottage" in the grounds, will keep her pounds 75,000 Mercedes-Benz and Davidson may have to pay as much as pounds 15,000 a month in alimony.



"Tracy's primary concern is for the children and she's determined they will be taken care of by Jim," said a pal.

"She tried to make the marriage work, but Jim just can't say no to the ladies. It's his addiction. He has made it clear that he will not make waves over this. He's just as eager to get everything sorted."

The Mirror caught Davidson out after he spent the night with Debbie, 24, at Brighton's plush Grand Hotel. It put the final nail in the coffin of his marriage to Tracy, who supported him through his battle with the booze.

Davidson, the presenter of TV's Big Break began his latest fling when he cast Debbie as a fairy in his X-rated panto




, Sinderella.

He insisted: "I don't want people to look at me and Debs and think anything bad of her. My marriage was in terrible trouble and she just happened to be there. It's not right that Tracy and I should live with this unhappiness."

The pal added: "Jim is totally besotted




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with Debbie. But Tracy's devastated



."

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I found this so far they were married TEN years so obviously they got on at some point
Jim Davidson




is facing a pounds 2million bill from his fourth divorce.

Tracy Hilton is formally ending their ten-year marriage after the comic admitted cheating on her with busty



TV hostess Debbie Corrigan.

The settlement will be Davidson's most expensive yet, and will almost certainly mean him losing his new pounds 1.4million Surrey mansion.

Ex-model Tracy, 31, is currently staying at the house with their three children. The couple bought the pad last year, with Jim telling friends it was the perfect home to restart their marriage.

Tracy, whose mother, Margaret, lives in a "granny cottage" in the grounds, will keep her pounds 75,000 Mercedes-Benz and Davidson may have to pay as much as pounds 15,000 a month in alimony.



"Tracy's primary concern is for the children and she's determined they will be taken care of by Jim," said a pal.

"She tried to make the marriage work, but Jim just can't say no to the ladies. It's his addiction. He has made it clear that he will not make waves over this. He's just as eager to get everything sorted."

The Mirror caught Davidson out after he spent the night with Debbie, 24, at Brighton's plush Grand Hotel. It put the final nail in the coffin of his marriage to Tracy, who supported him through his battle with the booze.

Davidson, the presenter of TV's Big Break began his latest fling when he cast Debbie as a fairy in his X-rated panto




, Sinderella.

He insisted: "I don't want people to look at me and Debs and think anything bad of her. My marriage was in terrible trouble and she just happened to be there. It's not right that Tracy and I should live with this unhappiness."

The pal added: "Jim is totally besotted




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with Debbie. But Tracy's devastated



."

As you are a stanch supporter of Jim, did you post this to make him look better Kaz? I don't understand you at all, this proves what a w**ker he is.

[rionablue]

I have been struggling to understand the massive support for Jim also. He have done his time and got his counselling or whatever but a man should never EVER raise a hand to a woman and visa versa ( just in case ppl are saying why pick the man) It does happen in some instances that a woman is violent towards a man. I feel that much of Jims support for this eviction is because people hate Jas and Luisa and Liz is not a strong housemate. Even if I hated every single housemate in there and they were all up I would vote to save them rather than Jim. Domestic violence should not be accepted and even if its years ago and Jim is a 'reformed character' I would still struggle very much to support him and I know what I am talking about believe me x

[Z]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I have been struggling to understand the massive support for Jim also. He have done his time and got his counselling or whatever but a man should never EVER raise a hand to a woman and visa versa ( just in case ppl are saying why pick the man) It does happen in some instances that a woman is violent towards a man. I feel that much of Jims support for this eviction is because people hate Jas and Luisa and Liz is not a strong housemate. Even if I hated every single housemate in there and they were all up I would vote to save them rather than Jim. Domestic violence should not be accepted and even if its years ago and Jim is a 'reformed character' I would still struggle very much to support him and I know what I am talking about believe me x

Personally I hope Jim, Jasmine and Luisa stay because I watch Big Brother to be entertained, to discuss what happens in the house and to have in depth debates about all sorts of things. Liz hasn't provided that for me. I'm "supporting" Jim because I don't find any redeemable qualities about most of the other housemates, who have done things in the house that have ranged from slightly unpleasant to full on nasty - whereas despite being grumpy and despite his past, Jim really hasn't said anything out of order without being provoked first and even then, he's kept it within an acceptable level - his spat with Luisa was started by Luisa, he didn't say anything worse than what she said about him and it didn't escalate to Dappy/Luisa levels. Liz, Sam and Ollie are generally accepted to be objectively the nicest housemates because they haven't done anything nasty to anyone in the house but then they also haven't done anything of interest either and personally I don't want people coasting to the final and possibly winning it because they kept quiet so they won it by default.