[Macie Lightfoot]

If we want to talk about any bullying or harassment, the whole Frank Carson incident epitomizes Jim's awfulness

[Z]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

If we want to talk about any bullying or harassment, the whole Frank Carson incident epitomizes Jim's awfulness

The part where he dobbed him in for being a criminal or the part where he mentioned it to Luisa to go ask Linda if that's why she hates him so much?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Zee

The part where he dobbed him in for being a criminal or the part where he mentioned it to Luisa to go ask Linda if that's why she hates him so much?

The part where he terrorized a widow who filed for bankruptcy and was on welfare. That's not sympathetic or relatable or funny or entertaining to me.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That was totally unacceptable but apart from that what has he done? He bought up something that he admitted he shouldn't have in the heat of the moment. Have you never done that? Has Linda never done that?. He apologised TWiICE the very next day. What more is he to do?

On the other hand look at the provocation he's had to put up with. The constant questioning of everything he says and giving it a sexist slant, Linda spreading her hatred of him throughout that house, deliberately trying to wake him up when he wants to sleep. He's put up with far more from them than they have from him.

It wasn't just him bringing it up. It was the fact that she was in her bed near (and eventually in) tears and he kept covering around her trying to get a reaction in the smuggest of ways, misrepresenting what he said. And his first apology that morning was the most transparent thing I've seen so that doesn't even count in my books.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

It wasn't just him bringing it up. It was the fact that she was in her bed near (and eventually in) tears and he kept covering around her trying to get a reaction in the smuggest of ways, misrepresenting what he said. And his first apology that morning was the most transparent thing I've seen so that doesn't even count in my books.

Absolutely not how I saw it.

The moment he realized what Lujisa had done his mood changed , he lost his confidence and actually questioned why Luisa would do that. He knew he;d touched on a sore point and for me never tried to gloat.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

The part where he terrorized a widow who filed for bankruptcy and was on welfare. That's not sympathetic or relatable or funny or entertaining to me.



It wasn't just him bringing it up. It was the fact that she was in her bed near (and eventually in) tears and he kept covering around her trying to get a reaction in the smuggest of ways, misrepresenting what he said. And his first apology that morning was the most transparent thing I've seen so that doesn't even count in my books.

I think this was said by the actress Bette Davis about Joan Crawford but it is for me something that can also be appropriate for not only Linda but also her Sister Coleen too as to tears.

The quote goes not word for word, 'I think the tear ducts of her eyes must be near her bladder since she cries an awful lot'.

It seems to me, both Coleen and Linda are very adept at turning on the tears for maximum effect, it is maybe the only thing they are good at.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

The part where he terrorized a widow who filed for bankruptcy and was on welfare. That's not sympathetic or relatable or funny or entertaining to me.

Terrorized a widow? Come off it. Linda had earlier told him to drop all the pretence and say what he was thinking. So when Luisa asked him why Linda had such a problem with him, Jim said she'd have to ask her, ask her about Frank Carson's dressingroom. That's not terrorizing a widow, and how on earth was he to anticipate that Linda would stage a massive over-reaction to it all?

Jim could have explained to the other housemates long before in order to put his own spin on it all, and he didn't - out of consideration to Linda's feelings and his respect for the dead. There was nothing wrong with telling Luisa to ask Linda. Linda could choose to brush it off, or explain as she liked.

It was not surprising that after she'd created such a ridiculous rumpus, and got everyone onto her side against Jim, she was sitting happily in bed bitching about something else a short time later.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

If we want to talk about any bullying or harassment, the whole Frank Carson incident epitomizes Jim's awfulness

That was totally unacceptable but apart from that what has he done? He bought up something that he admitted he shouldn't have in the heat of the moment. Have you never done that? Has Linda never done that?. He apologised TWiICE the very next day. What more is he to do?

On the other hand look at the provocation he's had to put up with. The constant questioning of everything he says and giving it a sexist slant, Linda spreading her hatred of him throughout that house, deliberately trying to wake him up when he wants to sleep. He's put up with far more from them than they have from him.

[joeysteele]

There is a nastier element ot what they are doing as to Jim, okay he may be miserable a lot but he does try to just get away from them.
They don't do that they set out to 'pick on him' for want of a better description.

I hold back usually from bullying as a word being used, but definitely Linda and Luisa are picking on him, they also do so trying to use the group as a whole to join in with their 'harrassment' of him.

For me, because he doesn't really fight back,they are able to keep on picking every fault at near everything he does and try to belittle him.
This definitely is the closest to bullying I have come across.

They also are well aware that should he ever explode and fire back in a real rage at them he will likely be seen as the bad guy and end up in fact being seen the bully,which they could then use even more against him.

So far he has shown incredible restraint in my opinion and I doubt in the face of what he has had to put up with I would have shown such restraint.

[Lex]

Yes, the 'old big star' is definitely being bullied by the 'new nobodys' and the bitter 'old witch' ....but I think that they are ultimately going to loose,...and Jim will outstay them all!!

Jim For The Win.

[joeysteele]

Mentioning the Frank Carson incident has projected this CBB right into the public eye and done wonders for it really.

Had Linda took him to one side and said why she hated him so much, she could have avoided that.
However did she not relish having the chance to get at him and milk it for all it was worth afterwards.

Then she tried to gloss over the real story and what happened.
Stupid woman that she is.

[Jezzy]

Lex, it is so lovely to see you!!

In the heat of the moment I'd probably have brought that up too if I'm being absolutely honest. I have a long fuse which I don't think Jim does, so even more respect to him. Pick...pick...pick...pick....enough to drive a nun (or a Nolan) to the point of no return.

[Jordan.]

It's bullying to not like someone? Maybe stop and think why most people don't like him in the house.

[Jordan.]

Lmfao he clearly wanted her to tell Linda hence why he brought it up, the delusion is unreal.

[Brother Leon]

It's become borderline tbf. If it was gender reversal I do think it would be considered more seriously. When Conor,Luke and Arron were talking about Deana non stop and supposedly making her life in there hell there was huge bullying claims(obviously stemmed from the Conor rap, but their other antics were considered bullying too).

In fairness to Jim, he just brushes it all off and drops a funny one liner so I suppose that is why it's not serious.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

In fairness to Jim, he just brushes it all off and drops a funny one liner so I suppose that is why it's not serious.

Jim DOES brush it off. I'm sure there would be a lot that could get to him, but in all fairness he has tried not to rise. That's not to say that he isn't justified in doing so when he does. He's a lot different to the person he was 25+ years ago. So am I.

[GiRTh]

He did indeed tell Luisa to ask about Frank Carson but when he found out she had actually done it his mood changed. I dont see how I'm blaming Luisa but if you see it then please point it out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He did indeed tell Luisa to ask about Frank Carson but when he found out she had actually done it his mood changed. I dont see how I'm blaming Luisa but if you see it then please point it out.

Yes, his mood changed to smug satisfaction, asking Linda "what happened in Frank Carson's dressing room? Tell me about it " and continually trying to talk to her and get a reaction.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Yes, his mood changed to smug satisfaction, asking Linda "what happened in Frank Carson's dressing room? Tell me about it " and continually trying to talk to her and get a reaction.

I dont remember that.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I dont remember that.

Selective memory is rich isn't it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Selective memory is rich isn't it?

I dont remember cuz it didnt happen.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I dont remember that.

I don't know if you are just trolling now

[Jezzy]

(not a fan of either)

[Z]

Linda's a bit like a dragon sitting on top of a pile of gold. The gold being her "reasons for hating Jim" - she'll never budge from her gold, she'll just terrorise Jim until he exposes her one weakness and then she's flapping about, roaring in agony and the gold all falls over. A bit like in that latest Hobbit film.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I'm with you two,My eyeballs can see it's bullying.

Originally Posted by Zee

Linda's a bit like a dragon sitting on top of a pile of gold. The gold being her "reasons for hating Jim" - she'll never budge from her gold, she'll just terrorise Jim until he exposes her one weakness and then she's flapping about, roaring in agony and the gold all falls over. A bit like in that latest Hobbit film.

My eyeballs!!

Roaring in agony!!

I'm in absolute stitches

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

My eyeballs!!

Roaring in agony!!

I'm in absolute stitches