[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Such a depressing small minded post I just fail to see where to start. Take off your tinfoil hat and take a good look at the world beyond your bunker.

You keep telling people their small minded and poke fun at their opinions, ask for clarifications but don't actually back up your own.

Come on Einstein, what is the world like beyond our bunkers?

Edit - And goodness knows why the thread's labelled "massive news", surely everyone's heard of the big bang before now?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

You keep telling people their small minded and poke fun at their opinions, ask for clarifications but don't actually back up your own.

Come on Einstein, what is the world like beyond our bunkers?

Edit - And goodness knows why the thread's labelled "massive news", surely everyone's heard of the big bang before now?

Total facepalm at your last comment.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Total facepalm at your last comment.

Did the big bang theory take you by surprise?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i try not to take much notice of these crackpot scientists they are basically mystic megs who guess most of the time.
The best technology cant even find a plane at the moment on our own planet and they think they know this and that about the universe.
truth is they know sod all. and look into things far to deeply for answers to theories that are just that theories in the first place. which renders everything horse poo anyway.
my theory is until they cant even explain the most simple of things then they shouldn't be trying to explain the universe. when in fact its all conjecture .
ask 10 big shots get 10 different theories.

Great post and totally right....these scientists act like theyre Gods themselves when in fact its all trial and error...I respect the work they do but their egos are way out of control and the way the try to state guess work as fact is frankly embarassing at times

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

Great post and totally right....these scientists act like theyre Gods themselves when in fact its all trial and error...I respect the work they do but their egos are way out of control and the way the try to state guess work as fact is frankly embarassing at times

Yes it was Einstein who first came up with the theory and he is like a total ego maniacal fool - him and his books -total vanity projects

[Livia]

I don't see why everyone can't celebrate every step, discovery and landmark made by science. After all, some of the most celebrated scientists through history have been people of religion. I don't feel that science and religion are necessarily exclusive of one another.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Almost 14 billion years ago, the universe we inhabit burst into existence in an extraordinary event that initiated the Big Bang. In the first fleeting fraction of a second, the universe expanded exponentially, stretching far beyond the view of our best telescopes. All this, of course, was just theory.

Researchers from the BICEP2 collaboration today announced the first direct evidence for this cosmic inflation. Their data also represent the first images of gravitational waves, or ripples in space-time. These waves have been described as the "first tremors of the Big Bang." Finally, the data confirm a deep connection between quantum mechanics and general relativity."


http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-05

[thesheriff443]

this thread and its posts, made me think of back to the future and doc brown.

[smeagol]

speculation and theory finding any reason to state as fact. a wave is suddenly proof lol
14 billion years ago how do they know that. they cant even determine the age of our own earth history artifacts how things were made done dates and so forth. they cant even find a plane or cure the common cold or cancer that has various strains and waves of its own to work on.
yet behold a guy with a telescope says he knows the creation of the universe lol

cosmic inflation lol could be a billion things a billion reactions to a billion events a billion reasons that arn't even in our mindset. never mind evidence.

good to keep looking but they should really start stating its theory not proof. every proof gets crushed it always does whether its history or science its always turned over.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by smeagol

speculation and theory finding any reason to state as fact. a wave is suddenly proof lol
14 billion years ago how do they know that. they cant even determine the age of our own earth history artifacts how things were made done dates and so forth. they cant even find a plane or cure the common cold or cancer that has various strains and waves of its own to work on.
yet behold a guy with a telescope says he knows the creation of the universe lol

cosmic inflation lol could be a billion things a billion reactions to a billion events a billion reasons that arn't even in our mindset. never mind evidence.

good to keep looking but they should really start stating its theory not proof. every proof gets crushed it always does whether its history or science its always turned over.

And yet if you were to end up in hospital with a life threatening disease you would happily gobble up all the drugs that those scientists have developed to keep you alive.

Criticising scientific endeavor to boost your self confidence is never a good idea.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And yet if you were to end up in hospital with a life threatening disease you would happily gobble up all the drugs that those scientists have developed to keep you alive.

Criticising scientific endeavor to boost your self confidence is never a good idea.

some science is great some is a waste of enormous money.....it doesnt mean you cant criticize anything scientific fo fear of losing your medication, what an absurd argeument

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

some science is great some is a waste of enormous money.....it doesnt mean you cant criticize anything scientific fo fear of losing your medication, what an absurd argeument

it's not an absurd argument though, if you believe that God controls of the universe, then only god can save you, so why would you need science if you have God on your side?

and you might say "god is working through my surgeon" but what if your surgeon is an atheist or a muslim, would you allow him/her to work on you? how could god be working through a surgeon who is not your religion, are you saying that god is taking over atheists or muslim bodies against their will? and performing miracles against their will? that seems wrong don't you think? it's like god is using atheist or muslim surgeons as a slave to do his work, does God approve of slavery?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

some science is great some is a waste of enormous money.....it doesnt mean you cant criticize anything scientific fo fear of losing your medication, what an absurd argeument

Its what i thought you would say. The science that directly benefits me and that I can comprehend is great but the stuff I dont get or questions the beliefs i have inherited from my parents is bad.

[Marsh.]

The reports all say "believe to be" "theory suggests".

Bit early to claim a massive discovery.

[Shaun]

well it was renewed for 3 seasons

[Kizzy]

EmERGENCY.. EMERGENCY......THERE'S AN EMERGENCY GOING ON.

[Kizzy]

It'S STILL GOING ON.....

[lostalex]

scientists could come out tomorrow and say that our entire universe is just the dream world of an ant colony in the amazon, and i'd still believe it more than anything any religion had to say.

I know FOR SURE that religion is a lie, i still have some faith in science though.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

scientists could come out tomorrow and say that our entire universe is just the dream world of an ant colony in the amazon, and i'd still believe it more than anything any religion had to say.

I know FOR SURE that religion is a lie, i still have some faith in science though.

I agree most science has a good degree of factual evidence to support it ie it is testable, reproduceable and universally agreed.

Whereas organised Religion is just a scam, the mad rantings of mad people who lived over 2,000 years ago in a world that bears no relation to the world we now live in.

And now we have to follow these ludicrous instructions, we have to adopt wierd practices and engage in strange behaviour or eat certain foods because thats what we believe in....??? really show me some proof...any proof...anything at all !!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree most science has a good degree of factual evidence to support it ie it is testable, reproduceable and universally agreed.

Whereas organised Religion is just a scam, the mad rantings of mad people who lived over 2,000 years ago in a world that bears no relation to the world we now live in.

And now we have to follow these ludicrous instructions, we have to adopt wierd practices and engage in strange behaviour or eat certain foods because thats what we believe in....??? really show me some proof...any proof...anything at all !!!

People believe aliens exist and life beyond ours without proof,and no one HAS to follow anything,we have a choice.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People believe aliens exist and life beyond ours without proof,and no one HAS to follow anything,we have a choice.

I believe aliens exist, and i believe in UFOs, but i would never condemn or harass or discriminate against someone who does't agree with me. that's the difference.

i would never say that people who don't believe in UFOs should have less rights, or be put in concentration camps, or put in insane asylums and lobotomized just because they don't agree with me about UFOs.\\

Religions have done that to people who don't believe in Jesus though, they have put them in insane asylums and concentration camps, and tortured them, lobotomized them, raped them. especially gay men.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I believe aliens exist, and i believe in UFOs, but i would never condemn or harass or discriminate against someone who does't agree with me. that's the difference.

i would never say that people who don't believe in UFOs should have less rights, or be put in concentration camps, or put in insane asylums and lobotomized just because they don't agree with me about UFOs.\\

Religions have done that to people who don't believe in Jesus though, they have put them in insane asylums and concentration camps, and tortured them, lobotomized them, raped them. especially gay men.

Not everyone who believes is like that though,that's what is objectionable the sweeping generalization ,I believe in God, but would never berate those who don't,we have a choice.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree most science has a good degree of factual evidence to support it ie it is testable, reproduceable and universally agreed.

Whereas organised Religion is just a scam, the mad rantings of mad people who lived over 2,000 years ago in a world that bears no relation to the world we now live in.

And now we have to follow these ludicrous instructions, we have to adopt wierd practices and engage in strange behaviour or eat certain foods because thats what we believe in....??? really show me some proof...any proof...anything at all !!!

Religion is basically superstition. Some people simply need to believe in something and believe that some greater power will protect them if they believe.

Sadly others use it as a way of controlling others, through fear and intimidation. Just your common and garden bully boys.

[lostalex]

I've not seen any compelling evidence for the validity of any religion.

I'll just leave it at that.

but if anyone has any compelling evidence to prove a religion, i'm certainly open to it.

and no, personal anecdotes don't qualify as "compelling evidence", sorry. feeling your grandma's presence, or seeing a butterfly because your grandma loved butterflies, does not count as evidence.