[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

one guy i know complains there is a type of smoke which he says stinks and is almost as bad as the smoke
i cant say ive noticed that

I've been around e-cigs before and there really isn't a very noticeable smell at all and it isn't smoke either and doesn't hang around and stick to you like smoke does

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"they could be a gateway into smoking for young people who would not otherwise try cigarettes."

or they could not


Its pointless making assumptions about things like this unless you have hard evidence to support it.

They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this

Is it only you allowed to make assumptions then? That article is from last year so this is hardly new info that the youth are the ones who have taken to ecigs. Is it due to tax, the cigarette industry trying to instill fear that these are as corruptive, or is medical evidence mounting that suggests the health benefits are not as great as first thought?

I'm a firm believer in 'if something looks too good to be true it is' so I say it's a mix of all three, but like you say the evidence atm is 'anecdotal'.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nah, I'm a non-smoker and I don't see the issue. I'm not a fan of "bans", of anything, I believe in people having the right to choose what they do and don't do with their own bodies. The argument behind the smoking ban was ALWAYS that passive smoke affects non-smokers and that it's not fair for them to have to breathe it. There is no passive smoking issue with e-cigs, therefore, people should be allowed to use them if they want to use them. It's their choice. They also don't carry anywhere near the personal risks that traditional cigarettes cause, as the majority of the carcinogenic effect of "real cigarettes" is in the tar they contain, not the nicotine itself, therefore if someone DOES want to casually smoke - for example, if they just enjoy the occasional nicotine high on a night out - they're much better off getting that from an electronic cigarette than from a real one.

So what is this debate about, that getting ones nicotine hit from E-Cigs is OK but from normal Cigs very unhealthy.

so Nicotine addiction is OK as long as it does not carry quite so many obvious health risks that normal Cigs carry.

So rather than using these devices to try and wean everybody off Cigarettes the govt instead wants to allow these E-Cigs which are healthier, allow them indoors so more people can use them, allow advertising to promote them and hike up the tax on them to more or less the same levels as normal cigarettes.

smacks of Hypocrisy if you ask me, like having your cake, eating it and losing weight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is it only you allowed to make assumptions then? That article is from last year so this is hardly new info that the youth are the ones who have taken to ecigs. Is it due to tax, the cigarette industry trying to instill fear that these are as corruptive, or is medical evidence mounting that suggests the health benefits are not as great as first thought?

I'm a firm believer in 'if something looks too good to be true it is' so I say it's a mix of all three, but like you say the evidence atm is 'anecdotal'.

"They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this"

no i made an assumption but then asked for evidence to show it can work both ways

[smeagol]

i would rather kids smoke e cigs than real ones. i dont think you can get addicted to e cigs its nowhere near as potent as real ones. but thats just my view on that.

as for people smoking e cigs in public places will entice others to smoke. well we have been smoking in public since time began . whats worst someone smoking a e cig in public or some lard arse scoffing a burger in public. i know which one is more harmful and its not the cig even a real one.

[the truth]

there is no tobacco in ecigs which is the main harmful ingredient so clearly its infinitely preferrable. as for the smoke I agree Ive not noticed any stinky smoke and it contains no tobacco either. welsh government was wrong on this one imo

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"They could and probably will reduce teenage smoking drastically

again - lets see any evidence to support this"

no i made an assumption but then asked for evidence to show it can work both ways

There is evidence but you've dismissed it as 'anecdotal', how many studies over what period of time do you want?

One issue not raised is waste, what is the waste product of ecigs,
cig butts are a problem but how do you dispose of dead ecig cartridges and what chemicals do they contain that will end up in landfill?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've been around e-cigs before and there really isn't a very noticeable smell at all and it isn't smoke either and doesn't hang around and stick to you like smoke does

My dads really stinks..I have noticed it more since I have been pregnant. Its a really sickly sweet smell..its a caramel flavour vapour.

That said, we cant ban everything that smells a bit bad to some people. Or loads of people wouldnt be allowed out of the house full stop. I find the smell of BO more offputting than a smell of caramel for a few seconds to be quite honest..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

My dads really stinks..I have noticed it more since I have been pregnant. Its a really sickly sweet smell..its a caramel flavour vapour.

That said, we cant ban everything that smells a bit bad to some people. Or loads of people wouldnt be allowed out of the house full stop. I find the smell of BO more offputting than a smell of caramel for a few seconds to be quite honest..

Oh I've not come across caramel ones, just normal and menthol

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

My dads really stinks..I have noticed it more since I have been pregnant. Its a really sickly sweet smell..its a caramel flavour vapour.

That said, we cant ban everything that smells a bit bad to some people. Or loads of people wouldnt be allowed out of the house full stop. I find the smell of BO more offputting than a smell of caramel for a few seconds to be quite honest..

Haha, that reminds me of a mate from school who used to burn cannabis scented joss sticks so her mum didn't question the smell of her cannabis