[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes we are all aware of Conservatives jumping.

But so many Labour Voters are now going to UKIP
due to their pathetic Ed leader

I think to balance it you may be right but I think it is more likely since I have talked to some who did,that their hopes were if UKIP did really well in the European elections etc; that Ed Miliband would also come to offer a referendum on the EU too.
Something I think in fact he probably will now but not before the conferences in the Autumn.
Claiming that he has listened and carefully considered the wishes of those likely 'loaned' Labour voters to UKIP.

For the Conservatives, it is a different picture.
Clearly what you say as to Ed Miliband must also apply to David Cameron since he has claimed to be tougher on immigration and is also on about holding a referendum,yet he is losing even more of his voters to UKIP.

Perhaps that is most probably because in the eyes of a good number of Conservative voters, he is already seen as a loser, by failing to secure an overall majority in 2010.
Furthermore and more to the point, also in looking like he will never come near to achieving one in 2015 either.

It is my guess,most of those Labour soft supporters will realise the only way to get this govt. out is to vote Labour and will,if they vote at all, duly do so in the 2015 election for Labour.
I don't really see the Conservative support going back to them however since David Cameron already has in place virtually UKIP's wishes as to the EU,yet a good number of usually Conservative supporters seem to not be listening or simply don't believe David Cameron on the issue.

I think Joey Barton too was right,he said in the elections just held,(not for future elections), that voters had seen UKIP as the best of a bad bunch at that time.
However he would have put it, as he did last night on QT or in a better less controversial way,I think he did get that spot on.

[GiRTh]

Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage. He may have no place on Question time but his point is a good one.

Morgan is also right. Ukip have no policies and to vote for them is little more than a protest vote. Their only policies are the obviously bigoted ones they find so hard to defend without crying 'Witch hunt'. It actually disgust me that Ukip are being taken seriously at all..

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage. He may have no place on Question time but his point is a good one.

Morgan is also right. Ukip have no policies and to vote for them is little more than a protest vote. Their only policies are the obviously bigoted ones they find so hard to defend without crying 'Witch hunt'. It actually disgust me that Ukip are being taken seriously at all..

I can see why people are attracted to them with the help of the media unfortunately but I agree with all you say above.
I feel sad that by going to the extreme of the 2 policies they go on and on about,that has so far overridden the sinister and dark elements as to their other policies as they are being made.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can see why people are attracted to them with the help of the media unfortunately but I agree with all you say above.
I feel sad that by going to the extreme of the 2 policies they go on and on about,that has so far overriden the sinister and dark elements as to their other policies as they are being made.

Ukip are very much like the far religious right in USa. They will always have a voice and they will always have some support but when we drill down into what they really truly stand for there are no where near enough like minded people for them to be any kind of serious political force. The sooner Ukip are discredited the sooner we can get on to serious talk about next years election.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Ukip are very much like the far religious right in USa. They will always have a voice and they will always have some support but when we drill down into what they really truly stand for there are no where near enough like minded people for them to be any kind of serious political force. The sooner Ukip are discredited the sooner we can get on to serious talk about next years election.

I agree again Girth, for me really serious issues that need the attention in the 2015 election could I feel get lost in the media circus around UKIP.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree again Girth, for me really serious issues that need the attention in the 2015 election could I feel get lost in the media circus around UKIP.

This is, as always, completely the point of course. Loud noises in the media to keep people's heads turned away from the things they should be looking at. Much bigger forces at work, here.

[Kizzy]

Joey Barton?.... Why?.. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, what a joke this programme is becoming.

[Shaun]

him and Piers Morgan on the same show? good god the BBC is dumbing down.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Joey Barton?.... Why?.. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, what a joke this programme is becoming.

Its a ploy to the show in the papers

[Cherie]

Joey was good value and much more interesting than some of the fuddy duddys that you get on it at times. Surprised at you Kizzy!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage. He may have no place on Question time but his point is a good one.

Morgan is also right. Ukip have no policies and to vote for them is little more than a protest vote. Their only policies are the obviously bigoted ones they find so hard to defend without crying 'Witch hunt'. It actually disgust me that Ukip are being taken seriously at all..

"Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage."

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Joey Barton?.... Why?.. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, what a joke this programme is becoming.

Aah Kizzy, I like Joey.
I think however one of reasons he was on was possibly because they were holding this programme in Heathrow and one of the main questions was about the extra runway at heathrow.
Apparantly Joey lives in the flight path of it so was perhaps a kind of 'celebrity' resident.

To be fair to him, he made some really good points overall and was far more interesting that the time say they had Adam Rickett on.

Also arista made a good point that are probably looking for some controversy too and Joey can be volatile.however apart from the ugly women comment,which was blown out of all proportion,he handled himself pretty well for a first time on the show.
(They will be soon re-writing Cinderella next so that she can have ugly brothers and not just ugly sisters.)

Frankly,I would rather have Joey on then the sickening Daily Mail columnists they often wheel out onto the programme to spout off their prejudices.
Joey does have a good following among football supporters too so I think has as much right to be on than some others.
In fact I find it sad it hasn't progressed to the point where some 'ordinary person' joins the panel.
Like Joey they would likely speak their mind and not be toeing some daft party line.

[MTVN]

Barton is a highly intelligent individual, the Nietzsche of the 21st century you could say

[smudgie]

Joey Barton..a thug with half a brain.

[Nedusa]

Can anyone tell me why that brainless thug was on Question Time ?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Can anyone tell me why that brainless thug was on Question Time ?

To get this Edition Debated on the news and Radio


PR for QT

[joeysteele]

He is volatile,he is a hothead and fails to control himself on and off the pitch but he showed on QT that he had deep thinking too and talked a great deal of sense throughout to be fair to him.
By the end of the programme I was really glad he had been asked to go on it.He still does have a right to have opinions which is what QT is about.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Joey was good value and much more interesting than some of the fuddy duddys that you get on it at times. Surprised at you Kizzy!

I can't get past the assault thing sorry he just seems like a bit of a thug, I will watch the whole thing though only heard this one comment so really should watch the entire show.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Barton is a highly intelligent individual, the Nietzsche of the 21st century you could say

That analogy is a great one, if the Neitzsche you refer to is not in fact Friedrich Nietzsche, but Freddie's younger brother Simpel Neitzsche, who was really rather slow at anything academic but was the captain of the Schule Fussball team.

[Z]

To be fair - a lot of people ironically follow Joey Barton's nuggets of wisdom on Twitter and considering how alienated the vast majority of the population is from the politics of the UK I can only imagine that trying to draw people in with controversial media figures is the best way to get people to tune in. I think UKIP getting any kind of traction in the UK is simply because the current state of play of politics is dismal and people are fed up and are taking their frustrations out by voting for a radical extremist party. I don't think people are any more inherently racist than they have been in the past, it's just that there's nothing worth voting for in this country so they're getting behind the only party with bold views on anything.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage."

Whats funny? Do you really think Farage is a man who can speak for the average man in the street? Now that's laughable.

In fact any footballer on 100k plus a week is still more in touch with the average man than Farage.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Z

To be fair - a lot of people ironically follow Joey Barton's nuggets of wisdom on Twitter and considering how alienated the vast majority of the population is from the politics of the UK I can only imagine that trying to draw people in with controversial media figures is the best way to get people to tune in. I think UKIP getting any kind of traction in the UK is simply because the current state of play of politics is dismal and people are fed up and are taking their frustrations out by voting for a radical extremist party. I don't think people are any more inherently racist than they have been in the past, it's just that there's nothing worth voting for in this country so they're getting behind the only party with bold views on anything.

Good and fair post in my opinion. This also was sort of what Joey was saying on QT as well.
As he said, UKIP appeared to be the best of a bad lot at this time in those elections just held,perhaps he should have said it was like a choice between 4 ugly guys as to who was the best on the day.
He would have had no controversy to that comment at all.

As you rightly say, he has dedicated followers on twitter across a range of topics too so it seems plenty like to hear him or read what he says.

[Northern Monkey]

I can't for the life of me see how what he said could be considered sexist,Maybe predjudiced against ugly people,but not sexist.That UKIP lady could'nt wait to throw the sexism card out there.JB should have just replied to her that 'Ugly is'nt gender specific'(if his brains were'nt in his feet)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I can't for the life of me see how what he said could be considered sexist,Maybe predjudiced against ugly people,but not sexist.That UKIP lady could'nt wait to throw the sexism card out there.JB should have just replied to her that 'Ugly is'nt gender specific'(if his brains were'nt in his feet)

He wasn't talking about ugly men.

His comment suggests that females who aren't physically attractive are worth less than those who are. Sexist. And stupid.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

He wasn't talking about ugly men.

His comment suggests that females who aren't physically attractive are worth less than those who are. Sexist. And stupid.

Still not sexist.The exact same thing can be said about men.He was'nt comparing women to men or saying that women in general are somehow worth less than men.I agree with you on the stupid part though.