[Livia]

I'm not trying to suggest for a minute that the invasion was a positive thing for Iraq. Quite the reverse... but what worries and saddens me is that other Islamic countries, the stable ones, the ones with the clout and the oil and the money, do nothing to sort this sh1t out. Now Obama is fiddling about with it again. And every time there's a disaster in the making like this one, the UN demonstrates once again what a useless, expensive, toothless waste of time it is.

[arista]

From Ch4HD News

Mosul prefers Isis
and some people have left due to Iraqi Air force attacks
The leader of Mosul
does not want USA Air Strikes
as the American Drones
murder normal people at the same time of any attack.




America Attacking with Drones
will only make everything worse.


Iran is Happy with keeping the South safe.


Its a Split nation
Stupid Bush -Blair
should have left Saddam
in Total Control.

[arista]

Tony Blair: west must intervene in Iraq
Ex-PM says allies should consider military options short of sending troops after denying 2003 invasion led to Isis crisis


Fecking Blair on Every News





http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...litary-options

[arista]

[arista]

[Militants in Iraqi have published fresh pictures
which they say are of soldiers who deserted
the army being executed. The pictures
show groups of men being rounded up,
beaten and transported to the desert
where they are shot in a ditch.
They emerged shortly after Tony Blair
was branded a medieval 'crusader' by
his former deputy for calling for a new
military campaign in the Middle East.
Mr Blair - now a Middle East peace envoy - called for
the West to intervene in both Iraq and Syria
to ensure that Islamist fanatics
are 'countered hard, with force'.
Blair's comments prompted an
avalanche of criticism from both Left and Right,
with even allies suggesting he
should 'stay quiet during moments like this'. ]


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-essay.html

[Nedusa]

Time to build a big fence around these countries and then prepare the drones and dust off the Sarin gas warheads.

Pushing the west into a corner on this will only result in brutal retalitory strikes with an unimaginable loss of life.

When all is said and done order will be restored by the West one way......or another

[arista]

South Iraq
getting ready to fight Isis
Children as well.


Backwards nations

[Nedusa]

The West can't really get involved in this latest conflict as it is sectarian in nature and the west cannot be seen to be taking sides against the Sunni's or the Shiite's.

Difficult one for Obama this as he needs to talk to Iran who are one of the main regional powers. Israel must be fuming, even the UK are opening their Embassy in Tehran.

what an absolute farce the middle east has become







.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

The West can't really get involved in this latest conflict as it is sectarian in nature and the west cannot be seen to be taking sides against the Sunni's or the Shiite's.

Difficult one for Obama this as he needs to talk to Iran who are one of the main regional powers. Israel must be fuming, even the UK are opening their Embassy in Tehran.

what an absolute farce the middle east has become







.

America has put troops in a nation near Iraq
so if the Embassy staff are attacked they can save them
Unlike US Libya Staff that were killed



Its when he can drone kill them, is what they are debating
in America


But the Problem is they (N. Iraq) want Isis in their towns
so Public would be Killed - Murdered by USA Drone bombers

[MTVN]

Some good points by Robert Fisk on the things that we won't hear Western leaders talk about:

n The story of Iraq and the story of Syria are the same – politically, militarily and journalistically: two leaders, one Shia, the other Alawite, fighting for the existence of their regimes against the power of a growing Sunni Muslim international army.

n While the Americans support the wretched Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his elected Shia government in Iraq, the same Americans still demand the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad of Syria and his regime, even though both leaders are now brothers-in-arms against the victors of Mosul and Tikrit.

n The Croesus-like wealth of Qatar may soon be redirected away from the Muslim rebels of Syria and Iraq to the Assad regime, out of fear and deep hatred for its Sunni brothers in Saudi Arabia (which may invade Qatar if it becomes very angry).

n We all know of the “deep concern” of Washington and London at the territorial victories of the Islamists – and the utter destruction of all that America and Britain bled and died for in Iraq. No one, however, will feel as much of this “deep concern” as Shia Iran and Assad of Syria and Maliki of Iraq, who must regard the news from Mosul and Tikrit as a political and military disaster. Just when Syrian military forces were winning the war for Assad, tens of thousands of Iraqi-based militants may now turn on the Damascus government, before or after they choose to advance on Baghdad.

n No one will care now how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered since 2003 because of the fantasies of Bush and Blair. These two men destroyed Saddam’s regime to make the world safe and declared that Iraq was part of a titanic battle against “Islamofascism”. Well, they lost. Remember that the Americans captured and recaptured Mosul to crush the power of Islamist fighters. They fought for Fallujah twice. And both cities have now been lost again to the Islamists. The armies of Bush and Blair have long gone home, declaring victory.

n Under Obama, Saudi Arabia will continue to be treated as a friendly “moderate” in the Arab world, even though its royal family is founded upon the Wahhabist convictions of the Sunni Islamists in Syria and Iraq – and even though millions of its dollars are arming those same fighters. Thus does Saudi power both feed the monster in the deserts of Syria and Iraq and cosy up to the Western powers that protect it.

n We should also remember that Maliki’s military attempts to retake Mosul are likely to be ferocious and bloody, just as Assad’s battles to retake cities have proved to be. The refugees fleeing Mosul are more frightened of Shia government revenge than they are of the Sunni jihadists who have captured their city.

n We will all be told to regard the new armed “caliphate” as a “terror nation”. Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, the Isis spokesman, is intelligent, warning against arrogance, talking of an advance on Baghdad when he may be thinking of Damascus. Isis is largely leaving the civilians of Mosul unharmed.

n Finally, we will be invited to regard the future as a sectarian war when it will be a war between Muslim sectarians and Muslim non-sectarians. The “terror” bit will be provided by the arms we send to all sides.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...a-9533396.html

[arista]

Their America Auto Drone Bombers
will also Murder the Public

No Fecking General talks about
the Public killed in Error by USA Drone Bombers
thats strange?

[arista]

USA so far saying they are sending 300 Special Forces.
ref: SkyNewsHD Live


That is much better than using Drone Bombers
that will murder More Public while killing some Isis.

[arista]

Isis take over another town

[arista]

[Nasser Muthana tweeted: 'UK is afraid I come back with skills I've gained.'
He also posted pictures of bombs and weapons he has made
Brother Aseel Muthana has also used social media to brag about beheadings
Aseel says online he is willing to be a 'martyr' and won't return to the UK
Their father says the brothers should be brought back to UK and jailed]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz36M7nqiAG

[arista]

[President Barack Obama has approved airstrikes in Iraq, as he confirmed US planes had dropped aid to Iraqis trapped on a mountain by Islamist fighters.
Three aircraft delivered food and water and left the drop zone after 15 minutes, according to the Pentagon.
Mr Obama said he had agreed to targeted strikes - if needed - to protect US citizens working in Irbil, and also to prevent a potential "genocide" of the Yazidi people.
He stressed there was no intention of sending in any troops. ]


So Obama
is giving aid to some.
And some Air Strikes?




http://news.sky.com/story/1315089/ob...-iraq-genocide

[arista]

US Strikes ISIS Artillery In Northern Iraq

Two US fighter jets drop bombs on Islamist militants after Barack Obama vowed to protect Americans and prevent a "genocide".




http://news.sky.com/story/1315410/us...-northern-iraq


Will America get attacked soon?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

US Strikes ISIS Artillery In Northern Iraq

Two US fighter jets drop bombs on Islamist militants after Barack Obama vowed to protect Americans and prevent a "genocide".




http://news.sky.com/story/1315410/us...-northern-iraq


Will America get attacked soon?

They've also dropped food and supplies for Yazidis, Christians and other groups targeted by Isis.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

They've also dropped food and supplies for Yazidis, Christians and other groups targeted by Isis.

Yes that was was on my post
yesterday.


ISIS has said they will attack America
do they have sleepers
in America?

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they are all doing it in the name of their particular made up deity

perhaps if we could teach them there are no gods instead of bombing them they all might evolve quicker

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they are all doing it in the name of their particular made up deity

perhaps if we could teach them there are no gods instead of bombing them they all might evolve quicker

Good luck with that...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they are all doing it in the name of their particular made up deity

perhaps if we could teach them there are no gods instead of bombing them they all might evolve quicker

This has absolutely nothing to do with God - no matter who or what you perceive him to be. This is exclusively about evil men.

From the dawn of mankind, humans have killed and maimed each other. It is in man to do so instinctively. Man is the only beast on Earth who slaughters for fun and sport, and derives pleasure from barbaric cruelty.

Nothing changes with - so called -'evolution', only the manner of killing. Flint axes became wooden clubs, became swords, became guns, became nuclear warheads.

We all have good and evil within us and a quality called 'free will', and the majority of Christians or Muslims or Jews would not willingly commit the barbaric atrocities which these evil fundamentalist terrorists so readily delight in perpetrating under the pretence of a 'Holy War. Whilst these bastards are waging their phoney war in the name of Allah, hundreds of thousands of ordinary, civilised Muslims are knelt in mosques all over the world praying for an end to the atrocities.

It was much the same with the vast majority of ordinary Roman Catholics during the decades of atrocities and cowardly indiscriminate bombings committed by the IRA - supposedly - in the name of God.

God has nothing to do with it, and it is not a Holy War. It is a war waged by purely evil madmen who instinctively have the urge to murder, and the desire to inflict pain and suffering. These are monsters who have been provided an excuse by the West which they believe justifies their 'war' and vindicates their acts of abhorrent inhumanity to fellow man.

Evil men gravitate to other evil men and to evil causes. Do not blame God. It is man - the human beast - not God.

The billions in God's 'armies' are harmless, decent, civilised human beings who can be found knelt worshipping in Churches, Chapels, Mosques and Synagogues, not killing, maiming and beheading innocent people.

When this thin veneer of 'civilisation' has eroded, or when man is beyond the the fragile framework of laws which confine him, the majority of us remain 'human'. There are things we still would not do, even were there no longer any laws to prevent us doing them.

Yet, there are men who have done the most inhuman and bestial of acts to other humans just because they could; The ordinary Roman soldier in Judea, once 'ordinary' German men who became Nazis, once 'ordinary' Romanians who served under Ceausescu, the list is endless, and these men seized their opportunity to do what they did, because they were intrinsically and instinctively evil. Despite Lord Acton's adage that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely etc", a man has to be evil to commit the acts of evil we are addressing here.

Like the secret paedophiles who secure employment in childrens' homes, or the lesbians who become officers in womens' prisons, evil men huddle under the banner which will best afford them the opportunity to satisfy their bestial desires.

They do not need 'educating that their is no God'. This war is not about God, and what is more; they do not believe in God - if they did, then no amount of 'conditioning' could turn them into the depraved hate-filled butchers they are.

Further; what is your view on the thousands of senseless wars which were not fought in 'God's name'?

And it is not just in wars where the 'evil that men do' is occurring with sickening regularity.

Imagine you are looking through a special 35mm film camera; you start 'Medium Close' in one of those little boxes we call houses; watch as the drunken husband drags his screaming wife around by her hair, punches her in the head, kicks her in the stomach. 'Cut' to that little bungalow - there in the bedroom, where that 'burglar' is beating the 85 year old retired midwife black and blue having already robbed her of the few possessions which she had. This beating is just for fun - a kind of perk of the job, 'Pull Back' to the street outside a Nightclub; there; where the two yobs are kicking the 17 year old students head in. 'Cut' to that dark alleyway as the two hooded thugs are beating the innocent 58 year old Church organist to death with baseball bats. Get the idea? All evil, senseless and sickening, and not one of God's banners in sight.

I am neither deluded, brain-washed nor crazy, but I believe in God. I believe in God because of something which I experienced - something which changed me and my life. Despite my 'epiphany', I do not, however, believe in the Church. The Church - like Government and Local Government, the Judiciary, and every other institution in this world - is run by man. Man - with all his frailties and flaws, his corruption and prejudices, and hypocrisy.

I think that you mistake Man's doing for God's.

Incidentally, I believe that it takes a greater 'Leap of Faith' not to believe in God than to believe in him.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This has absolutely nothing to do with God - no matter who or what you perceive him to be. This is exclusively about evil men.

From the dawn of mankind, humans have killed and maimed each other. It is in man to do so instinctively. Man is the only beast on Earth who slaughters for fun and sport, and derives pleasure from barbaric cruelty.

Nothing changes with - so called -'evolution', only the manner of killing. Flint axes became wooden clubs, became swords, became guns, became nuclear warheads.

We all have good and evil within us and a quality called 'free will', and the majority of Christians or Muslims or Jews would not willingly commit the barbaric atrocities which these evil fundamentalist terrorists so readily delight in perpetrating under the pretence of a 'Holy War. Whilst these bastards are waging their phoney war in the name of Allah, hundreds of thousands of ordinary, civilised Muslims are knelt in mosques all over the world praying for an end to the atrocities.

It was much the same with the vast majority of ordinary Roman Catholics during the decades of atrocities and cowardly indiscriminate bombings committed by the IRA - supposedly - in the name of God.

God has nothing to do with it, and it is not a Holy War. It is a war waged by purely evil madmen who instinctively have the urge to murder, and the desire to inflict pain and suffering. These are monsters who have been provided an excuse by the West which they believe justifies their 'war' and vindicates their acts of abhorrent inhumanity to fellow man.

Evil men gravitate to other evil men and to evil causes. Do not blame God. It is man - the human beast - not God.

The billions in God's 'armies' are harmless, decent, civilised human beings who can be found knelt worshipping in Churches, Chapels, Mosques and Synagogues, not killing, maiming and beheading innocent people.

When this thin veneer of 'civilisation' has eroded, or when man is beyond the the fragile framework of laws which confine him, the majority of us remain 'human'. There are things we still would not do, even were there no longer any laws to prevent us doing them.

Yet, there are men who have done the most inhuman and bestial of acts to other humans just because they could; The ordinary Roman soldier in Judea, once 'ordinary' German men who became Nazis, once 'ordinary' Romanians who served under Ceausescu, the list is endless, and these men seized their opportunity to do what they did, because they were intrinsically and instinctively evil. Despite Lord Acton's adage that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely etc", a man has to be evil to commit the acts of evil we are addressing here.

Like the secret paedophiles who secure employment in childrens' homes, or the lesbians who become officers in womens' prisons, evil men huddle under the banner which will best afford them the opportunity to satisfy their bestial desires.

They do not need 'educating that their is no God'. This war is not about God, and what is more; they do not believe in God - if they did, then no amount of 'conditioning' could turn them into the depraved hate-filled butchers they are.

Further; what is your view on the thousands of senseless wars which were not fought in 'God's name'?

And it is not just in wars where the 'evil that men do' is occurring with sickening regularity.

Imagine you are looking through a special 35mm film camera; you start 'Medium Close' in one of those little boxes we call houses; watch as the drunken husband drags his screaming wife around by her hair, punches her in the head, kicks her in the stomach. 'Cut' to that little bungalow - there in the bedroom, where that 'burglar' is beating the 85 year old retired midwife black and blue having already robbed her of the few possessions which she had. This beating is just for fun - a kind of perk of the job, 'Pull Back' to the street outside a Nightclub; there; where the two yobs are kicking the 17 year old students head in. 'Cut' to that dark alleyway as the two hooded thugs are beating the innocent 58 year old Church organist to death with baseball bats. Get the idea? All evil, senseless and sickening, and not one of God's banners in sight.

I am neither deluded, brain-washed nor crazy, but I believe in God. I believe in God because of something which I experienced - something which changed me and my life. Despite my 'epiphany', I do not, however, believe in the Church. The Church - like Government and Local Government, the Judiciary, and every other institution in this world - is run by man. Man - with all his frailties and flaws, his corruption and prejudices, and hypocrisy.

I think that you mistake Man's doing for God's.

Incidentally, I believe that it takes a greater 'Leap of Faith' not to believe in God than to believe in him.

Thank You.......Kirklancaster

I have been trying to say this for ages on these forums, but you have penned a good post that gets the point across.





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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This has absolutely nothing to do with God - no matter who or what you perceive him to be. This is exclusively about evil men.

From the dawn of mankind, humans have killed and maimed each other. It is in man to do so instinctively. Man is the only beast on Earth who slaughters for fun and sport, and derives pleasure from barbaric cruelty.

Nothing changes with - so called -'evolution', only the manner of killing. Flint axes became wooden clubs, became swords, became guns, became nuclear warheads.

We all have good and evil within us and a quality called 'free will', and the majority of Christians or Muslims or Jews would not willingly commit the barbaric atrocities which these evil fundamentalist terrorists so readily delight in perpetrating under the pretence of a 'Holy War. Whilst these bastards are waging their phoney war in the name of Allah, hundreds of thousands of ordinary, civilised Muslims are knelt in mosques all over the world praying for an end to the atrocities.

It was much the same with the vast majority of ordinary Roman Catholics during the decades of atrocities and cowardly indiscriminate bombings committed by the IRA - supposedly - in the name of God.

God has nothing to do with it, and it is not a Holy War. It is a war waged by purely evil madmen who instinctively have the urge to murder, and the desire to inflict pain and suffering. These are monsters who have been provided an excuse by the West which they believe justifies their 'war' and vindicates their acts of abhorrent inhumanity to fellow man.

Evil men gravitate to other evil men and to evil causes. Do not blame God. It is man - the human beast - not God.

The billions in God's 'armies' are harmless, decent, civilised human beings who can be found knelt worshipping in Churches, Chapels, Mosques and Synagogues, not killing, maiming and beheading innocent people.

When this thin veneer of 'civilisation' has eroded, or when man is beyond the the fragile framework of laws which confine him, the majority of us remain 'human'. There are things we still would not do, even were there no longer any laws to prevent us doing them.

Yet, there are men who have done the most inhuman and bestial of acts to other humans just because they could; The ordinary Roman soldier in Judea, once 'ordinary' German men who became Nazis, once 'ordinary' Romanians who served under Ceausescu, the list is endless, and these men seized their opportunity to do what they did, because they were intrinsically and instinctively evil. Despite Lord Acton's adage that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely etc", a man has to be evil to commit the acts of evil we are addressing here.

Like the secret paedophiles who secure employment in childrens' homes, or the lesbians who become officers in womens' prisons, evil men huddle under the banner which will best afford them the opportunity to satisfy their bestial desires.

They do not need 'educating that their is no God'. This war is not about God, and what is more; they do not believe in God - if they did, then no amount of 'conditioning' could turn them into the depraved hate-filled butchers they are.

Further; what is your view on the thousands of senseless wars which were not fought in 'God's name'?

And it is not just in wars where the 'evil that men do' is occurring with sickening regularity.

Imagine you are looking through a special 35mm film camera; you start 'Medium Close' in one of those little boxes we call houses; watch as the drunken husband drags his screaming wife around by her hair, punches her in the head, kicks her in the stomach. 'Cut' to that little bungalow - there in the bedroom, where that 'burglar' is beating the 85 year old retired midwife black and blue having already robbed her of the few possessions which she had. This beating is just for fun - a kind of perk of the job, 'Pull Back' to the street outside a Nightclub; there; where the two yobs are kicking the 17 year old students head in. 'Cut' to that dark alleyway as the two hooded thugs are beating the innocent 58 year old Church organist to death with baseball bats. Get the idea? All evil, senseless and sickening, and not one of God's banners in sight.

I am neither deluded, brain-washed nor crazy, but I believe in God. I believe in God because of something which I experienced - something which changed me and my life. Despite my 'epiphany', I do not, however, believe in the Church. The Church - like Government and Local Government, the Judiciary, and every other institution in this world - is run by man. Man - with all his frailties and flaws, his corruption and prejudices, and hypocrisy.

I think that you mistake Man's doing for God's.

Incidentally, I believe that it takes a greater 'Leap of Faith' not to believe in God than to believe in him.

What a fantastic post,when will people realise it is MAN who is evil,he was given free will and just look what he does with it,it IS nothing to do with God,just man killing man and blaming it on something else,humans are the most dangerous beings on the planet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh hang on we need to do that to the USA first

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

oh hang on we need to do that to the USA first

dare you to try!