[smeagol]

if anyone wants to pay me £180 for sex i wont be bitter i promise lol
roll up roll up come get some smeg lol

[smudgie]

I have known a few prostitues in my time, never ever found any of them bitter and twisted.

She might have regrets about it, can't be easy when your face js plastered all over the papers.
I just think she is a naturally nasty person when she has had a drink.

[Kizzy]

Being kicked out of the family home and being persecuted by the public is excuse enough for me to be slightly unstable.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Being kicked out of the family home and being persecuted by the public is excuse enough for me to be slightly unstable.

So if she was a man who beat up his wife and blamed it on being kicked out of his family home and persecuted by the public I am hoping you would think that his past would not justify his actions now , because as an adult we have the gift of reasoning and the intelligence to understand how are actions impact on the people around us, and so seeing your wife black and blue should be reason enough not to want to hit her again.There is no excuse to be mean and cruel.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kistar

So if she was a man who beat up his wife and blamed it on being kicked out of his family home and persecuted by the public I am hoping you would think that his past would not justify his actions now , because as an adult we have the gift of reasoning and the intelligence to understand how are actions impact on the people around us, and so seeing your wife black and blue should be reason enough not to want to hit her again.There is no excuse to be mean and cruel.

Don't throw up loads of bizarre hypotheticals... let's just stick to talking about helen eh?

[MarcusMel]

Where do children get the role models to copy these days? Eastenders, Neighbours?

If parents have to work all the time do children get to feel needed?

Does anyone ever think that they might actually be wrong? They might think that they just did not know what the right thing to do was, but thats not being wrong!!!

[rionablue]

My opinion ( for what its worth) is that Helen should never have been put in the house in the first place. I think she has far far too many issues and I wonder if she had never had that dalliance with Rooney would she ever have made the final cut for the house. In the past women who had dalliances with footballers or some kind of scandalous affairs have appeared in CELEBRITY big brother (though god knows what makes them a celebrity)

[smeagol]

i feel sorry for hitler he must of had a hard upbringing. poor guy. and rolf harris another victim of a bad life.
of course people are never just bad people cause they are bad people lol

i dont get some peoples logic. so you get broke go be a prostitute earn some cash and suddenly its poor you. then you can do and say what you like and blame it on that lol
so someone is broke they mug some poor old lady and we are meant to think aww poor mugger he must of had a hard life. lol
crazy thinking. people are bad cause they want to be. no other reason.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i feel sorry for hitler he must of had a hard upbringing. poor guy. and rolf harris another victim of a bad life.
of course people are never just bad people cause they are bad people lol

i dont get some peoples logic. so you get broke go be a prostitute earn some cash and suddenly its poor you. then you can do and say what you like and blame it on that lol
so someone is broke they mug some poor old lady and we are meant to think aww poor mugger he must of had a hard life. lol
crazy thinking. people are bad cause they want to be. no other reason.

All the above!!!!!

[Lister of Smeg]

Well we can safely say that somethings broken

[jet]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

Well we can safely say that somethings broken

Yes, her "Other people have feelings too and its not all about me" gene.

[Kizzy]

You know when it becomes obvious that there is someone who is truly affected and disturbed by events from their life them being on big brother and being torn apart suddenly feels like pulling the legs off a spider.....

[Vanessa]

She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.

[Ellen]

[QUOTE=Vanessa;6999238]She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.[/QUOTE

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

She has admitted she was wrong and apologized.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You know when it becomes obvious that there is someone who is truly affected and disturbed by events from their life them being on big brother and being torn apart suddenly feels like pulling the legs off a spider.....

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

Well I don't know, maybe after a few conversations and apologies I might try see if we had any common ground. I wouldn't write them off no.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

Exactly. The only reason she stopped being a bully was because she was afraid she'd be kicked out, not because she all of a sudden realised she was being a nasty cow.

[Beso]

The prostitution is one of her redeeming qualities!

[Niamh.]

Alright, back ontopic now Kizzy, this is actually an interesting thread

[Kizzy]

She's admitted as much in the diary room lots of times that she overreacts, She might not recognise it in herself. It was commented on a lot on bit on the psyche so hopefully when she comes out there will be the offer of support.

[Beso]

She is a broken woman, do I care? NO.

She will have walked over and hurt loads of people in her life without a care in the world..let her rot!