[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't believe she wouldn't do it outside the house

I don't believe she would tbh. No way she'd argue with someone like Ashleigh.

She'd glass them and move on with her life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't believe she would tbh. No way she'd argue with someone like Ashleigh.

She'd glass them and move on with her life.

[jet]

Imo the reason Helen said she wouldn't argue with an 18 yr old is because she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her and Helen doesn't like that, so she knows she might lose it and get thrown out.
Ashleigh has shown strength and resilience in the house and more adult maturity than Helen has. She is not a child and she isn't weak enough to be a target for the house bully. Helen is using her age as an excuse.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Imo the reason Helen said she wouldn't argue with an 18 yr old is because she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her and Helen doesn't like that, so she knows she might lose it and get thrown out.
Ashleigh has shown strength and resilience in the house and more adult maturity than Helen has. She is not a child and she isn't weak enough to be a target for the house bully. Helen is using her age as an excuse.

She hasn't faced Helen, everything she's done is behind her back. So she's very weak.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She hasn't faced Helen, everything she's done is behind her back. So she's very weak.

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[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She hasn't faced Helen, everything she's done is behind her back. So she's very weak.

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations.

[Ammi]

..I also think that there may be good reasons that Ashleigh does things the way she does and doesn’t get into confrontations with Helen as she has already said that she was badly bullied and I think that has made her tougher in some ways but she must still feel a lot of emotions and lack of self esteem associated with that ( ..it can’t have been that long ago considering her age now..) and maybe Helen with her behaviour in the house, represents someone/people that have made Ashleigh quite fearful so it’s understandable that she would ‘shy’ away from that in a way and yet still have a very strong feeling of ‘justice’ against someone like Helen...I think a poster said earlier with Pauline’s bullying behaviour that there’s this thing that we have to see victims as quite mild/more submissive people and if their bullies don’t ‘beat them’ into that persona which people can relate to more easily, then there is a tendency to not feel any empathy and especially as Ashleigh has been shown in a very ‘hard’ one dimensional way....I do think though that she does see what a lot of people see which is a very mean and spiteful and slightly bullying personality with Helen and how she’s been mean to people/bitches about people/calls them derogatory names and I think everything about Ashleigh goes against that but yeah, I don’t think she can maybe take that step of ‘confrontation’ especially as Helen tends to ‘run with a pack’ and be part of a clique, she would find that quite scary....I also think it’s really harsh for people to have any empathy for Helen and her life that may have contributed to how aggressive and defensive she is now but then to have none at all with Ashleigh and her unfortunate experiences and just think of her as a bitch and nothing more....

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by jet

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations.

They were talking together last night

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I also think that there may be good reasons that Ashleigh does things the way she does and doesn’t get into confrontations with Helen as she has already said that she was badly bullied and I think that has made her tougher in some ways but she must still feel a lot of emotions and lack of self esteem associated with that ( ..it can’t have been that long ago considering her age now..) and maybe Helen with her behaviour in the house, represents someone/people that have made Ashleigh quite fearful so it’s understandable that she would ‘shy’ away from that in a way and yet still have a very strong feeling of ‘justice’ against someone like Helen...I think a poster said earlier with Pauline’s bullying behaviour that there’s this thing that we have to see victims as quite mild/more submissive people and if their bullies don’t ‘beat them’ into that persona which people can relate to more easily, then there is a tendency to not feel any empathy and especially as Ashleigh has been shown in a very ‘hard’ one dimensional way....I do think though that she does see what a lot of people see which is a very mean and spiteful and slightly bullying personality with Helen and how she’s been mean to people/bitches about people/calls them derogatory names and I think everything about Ashleigh goes against that but yeah, I don’t think she can maybe take that step of ‘confrontation’ especially as Helen tends to ‘run with a pack’ and be part of a clique, she would find that quite scary....I also think it’s really harsh for people to have any empathy for Helen and her life that may have contributed to how aggressive and defensive she is now but then to have none at all with Ashleigh and her unfortunate experiences and just think of her as a bitch and nothing more....

Great post I do think though that Ashleigh wouldn't let Helen away with it if she started on her..

[chuff me dizzy]

So true, the sign of a true coward ,she handpicks her victims

[Amy Jade]

Nahh Matthew gave as good as he got.

[jet]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Nahh Matthew gave as good as he got.

Helen got a shock there - she wasn't expecting that!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Verbal

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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

I didn't say Ashleigh had faced Helen, did I? What exactly would she face her for? - Helen hasn't said boo to her, even when she took complete control of the power nominations.

You just said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her.

Nobody knows that, all of her behaviour so far tells us she does everything sneakily to avoid confrontation at all costs. Sign of a wimp.

She'd blub into her bear for the 100th time.

[Ammi]

..no I don’t think she just picks on the ‘weak’ though..I think she’s just a mean-spirited person who would find something to pick on with most people just because she seems so bitter ..I do think though that she wouldn’t have held back with Ashleigh but she feels that would reflect badly on her....(and she’s made such an effort to look good....)....but she also knows she doesn’t need to have a ’showdown’ with Ashleigh because she knows her ‘pack’ don’t like her either so doesn’t have to bother..but I do think Ashleigh’s bullying experiences as well, may have a lot to do with why she doesn't like the ‘insiders’....and what that may associate for her...

[Marsh.]

Exactly Ammi, she's had a problem with most people in the house. She's just bitter and will find fault with most things.

Most normal people wouldn't have took the Christmas party crap so seriously but she had to.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly Ammi, she's had a problem with most people in the house. She's just bitter and will find fault with most things.

Most normal people wouldn't have took the Christmas party crap so seriously but she had to.

..also, she had just given him a very dodgy haircut, that's not something you could forget easily with that amount of mirrors in the house...

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by jet

Helen got a shock there - she wasn't expecting that!

Yet she confronted him again in the morgue.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..also, she had just given him a very dodgy haircut, that's not something you could forget easily with that amount of mirrors in the house...

Exactly. Yet she wanted a slap up meal.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You just said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her.

Nobody knows that, all of her behaviour so far tells us she does everything sneakily to avoid confrontation at all costs. Sign of a wimp.

She'd blub into her bear for the 100th time.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You just said she knows Ashleigh would stand up to her.

Nobody knows that, all of her behaviour so far tells us she does everything sneakily to avoid confrontation at all costs. Sign of a wimp.

She'd blub into her bear for the 100th time.

Why do you think avoiding confrontation is the sign of a wimp?
I think it's astute, mature and intelligent behaviour to avoid needless conflict. Pick your battles and all that....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. Yet she wanted a slap up meal.

..yeah, well she shouldn't have put that bowl on his head then and she should have saved it for her supper....seriously though, any small 'human' acts of comforting would only really go to trying to somewhat make up for how badly she's behaved and how mean she's been to people but in no way give her any 'entitlements'..and if she had any self awareness at all she would realise that instead of thinking she should have been chosen....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Why do you think avoiding confrontation is the sign of a wimp?
I think it's astute, mature and intelligent behaviour to avoid needless conflict. Pick your battles and all that....

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, well she shouldn't have put that bowl on his head then and she should have saved it for her supper....seriously though, any small 'human' acts of comforting would only really go to trying to somewhat make up for how badly she's behaved and how mean she's been to people but in no way give her any 'entitlements'..and if she had any self awareness at all she would realise that instead of thinking she should have been chosen....